How to pack light, some tips
Aug 21st 2007, 9:13 am
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Re: How to pack light, some tips
"Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
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> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have while
> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it made
> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>
True. I find GPS gadget typically very practical too. Did you have a roadmap
of Thailand installed to the phone?
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>
> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have while
> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it made
> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>
True. I find GPS gadget typically very practical too. Did you have a roadmap
of Thailand installed to the phone?
Aug 21st 2007, 9:20 am
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Re: How to pack light, some tips
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:13:03 +0300, Markku Gr�nroos
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>"Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
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>>
>> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have while
>> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it made
>> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>>
>True. I find GPS gadget typically very practical too. Did you have a roadmap
>of Thailand installed to the phone?
With the N95, the phone downloads from a central server just those
sections of the map it needs to display the area around your present
location as you move around.
I think you can pre-load maps for the entire country in advance using
a PC if you prefer to have the full map coverage already stored on
your phone.
Chris
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>"Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
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>>
>> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have while
>> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it made
>> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>>
>True. I find GPS gadget typically very practical too. Did you have a roadmap
>of Thailand installed to the phone?
With the N95, the phone downloads from a central server just those
sections of the map it needs to display the area around your present
location as you move around.
I think you can pre-load maps for the entire country in advance using
a PC if you prefer to have the full map coverage already stored on
your phone.
Chris
Aug 21st 2007, 9:44 am
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Re: How to pack light, some tips
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:06:03 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "Rog'"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... A few years ago, my wife and I were in a shop in Brussels,
... and she arrived at the counter with her hands full. At that
... point, I pulled out a CC, handed it to the shopkeeper and
... said, "My job is to pay." He nodded and replied, "As it is
... of husbands, everywhere."
Fine, let her be irresponsible and do whatever she wants - hope you like the hernia YOU
are going to get.
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... A few years ago, my wife and I were in a shop in Brussels,
... and she arrived at the counter with her hands full. At that
... point, I pulled out a CC, handed it to the shopkeeper and
... said, "My job is to pay." He nodded and replied, "As it is
... of husbands, everywhere."
Fine, let her be irresponsible and do whatever she wants - hope you like the hernia YOU
are going to get.
Aug 21st 2007, 10:01 am
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Re: How to pack light, some tips
"Rog'" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> There's very little you can't buy in most European cities.
>> You can just leave everything at home and take a shed
>> load of cash and a bundle of gold credit cards.
>
> ... and much of what you can buy in abroad will have more
> cachet than what you have in your closet, anyway.
>
> Any ideas (for my wife) on how to pack for these limits:
> US-Europe... 23kg (50lbs) ea. (2 allowed);
> Inside Europe... a total of 20 kg (44 lbs); and
> Inside Greece... a total of 15lkg. (33lbs.)....
> plus a carry-on.
> I said, pack for the least weight allowed, which went
> over like a lead-balloon. =R
In a word, no...
Bring what you think you'll need, Europe is reasonably casual just about
everywhere. The only place you'll be expected to wear a tie is in a posh
restaurant. Last time I was in church I was the only person wearing a
tie...
Try and avoid tourist clichés in your dress and appearance and you'll be
treated better.
European styles in clothing are radically different to those in the USA, be
aware that people will know you're 'not from around here'.
Always remember that you can claim the VAT charged on major purchases when
you leave the EC.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:[email protected]. ..
> "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> There's very little you can't buy in most European cities.
>> You can just leave everything at home and take a shed
>> load of cash and a bundle of gold credit cards.
>
> ... and much of what you can buy in abroad will have more
> cachet than what you have in your closet, anyway.
>
> Any ideas (for my wife) on how to pack for these limits:
> US-Europe... 23kg (50lbs) ea. (2 allowed);
> Inside Europe... a total of 20 kg (44 lbs); and
> Inside Greece... a total of 15lkg. (33lbs.)....
> plus a carry-on.
> I said, pack for the least weight allowed, which went
> over like a lead-balloon. =R
In a word, no...
Bring what you think you'll need, Europe is reasonably casual just about
everywhere. The only place you'll be expected to wear a tie is in a posh
restaurant. Last time I was in church I was the only person wearing a
tie...
Try and avoid tourist clichés in your dress and appearance and you'll be
treated better.
European styles in clothing are radically different to those in the USA, be
aware that people will know you're 'not from around here'.
Always remember that you can claim the VAT charged on major purchases when
you leave the EC.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Aug 21st 2007, 10:01 am
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Re: How to pack light, some tips
"Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
> viestissÀ:5j9lc3trdj6avqi2va24skf845uvh2k0ab@4ax. com...
>>
>> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have while
>> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it made
>> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>>
> True. I find GPS gadget typically very practical too. Did you have a
> roadmap of Thailand installed to the phone?
Gawd, it makes one wonder how everyone survived WITHOUT GPS for all those
centuries of exploration. The Vikings STILL discovered America WITHOUT GPS.
news:[email protected] i.fi...
>
> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
> viestissÀ:5j9lc3trdj6avqi2va24skf845uvh2k0ab@4ax. com...
>>
>> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have while
>> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it made
>> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>>
> True. I find GPS gadget typically very practical too. Did you have a
> roadmap of Thailand installed to the phone?
Gawd, it makes one wonder how everyone survived WITHOUT GPS for all those
centuries of exploration. The Vikings STILL discovered America WITHOUT GPS.
Aug 21st 2007, 10:02 am
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"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:06:03 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "Rog'"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> ... A few years ago, my wife and I were in a shop in Brussels,
> ... and she arrived at the counter with her hands full. At that
> ... point, I pulled out a CC, handed it to the shopkeeper and
> ... said, "My job is to pay." He nodded and replied, "As it is
> ... of husbands, everywhere."
>
> Fine, let her be irresponsible and do whatever she wants - hope you like
> the hernia YOU
> are going to get.
>
Those guys who are saddled with "high maintenance" wives, take note.
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:06:03 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "Rog'"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> ... A few years ago, my wife and I were in a shop in Brussels,
> ... and she arrived at the counter with her hands full. At that
> ... point, I pulled out a CC, handed it to the shopkeeper and
> ... said, "My job is to pay." He nodded and replied, "As it is
> ... of husbands, everywhere."
>
> Fine, let her be irresponsible and do whatever she wants - hope you like
> the hernia YOU
> are going to get.
>
Those guys who are saddled with "high maintenance" wives, take note.
Aug 21st 2007, 10:06 am
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"sharx35" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> . No, you do NOT need GPS unless you are, perhaps, on safari
Or on a walking holiday somewhere...
> E-mails can be checked at any one of the MILLIONS of cyber cafes in the
> world.
Cyber cafes are disappearing fast in Europe. Everyone has a computer,
wireless access is available in many town centres, and even in some rural
areas. I don't think there's a cyber cafe within forty miles of where I
live these days, there used to be half a dozen, but I can get free
wireless access down at my local pub..
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:HAvyi.174$bO6.161@edtnps89...
>
> . No, you do NOT need GPS unless you are, perhaps, on safari
Or on a walking holiday somewhere...
> E-mails can be checked at any one of the MILLIONS of cyber cafes in the
> world.
Cyber cafes are disappearing fast in Europe. Everyone has a computer,
wireless access is available in many town centres, and even in some rural
areas. I don't think there's a cyber cafe within forty miles of where I
live these days, there used to be half a dozen, but I can get free
wireless access down at my local pub..
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Aug 21st 2007, 10:08 am
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"Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I have arranged my travels so that there is little need to be instantly
> available. When I want to be in touch to outside world I lease a computer
> for a moment to send and receive mail. Sometimes it can be beneficial to
> book for mass transportation in advance by phone but I leave this to the
> hotel personnel. That's why they are there in the first place (typically
> the language barrier hinders me to contact the agent anyways).
Why do you restrict yourself to environments where you don't need a phone.
Mine is mainly used as an alarm clock when I'm on holiday, and a means of
contacting my wife if we separated somewhere we're unfamiliar with.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:[email protected] ti.fi...
>
> I have arranged my travels so that there is little need to be instantly
> available. When I want to be in touch to outside world I lease a computer
> for a moment to send and receive mail. Sometimes it can be beneficial to
> book for mass transportation in advance by phone but I leave this to the
> hotel personnel. That's why they are there in the first place (typically
> the language barrier hinders me to contact the agent anyways).
Why do you restrict yourself to environments where you don't need a phone.
Mine is mainly used as an alarm clock when I'm on holiday, and a means of
contacting my wife if we separated somewhere we're unfamiliar with.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Aug 21st 2007, 10:11 am
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Re: How to pack light, some tips
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:01:58 GMT, "sharx35"
<[email protected]> wrote:
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>"Markku Gr�nroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>> viestiss�:[email protected] om...
>>>
>>> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have while
>>> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it made
>>> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>>>
>> True. I find GPS gadget typically very practical too. Did you have a
>> roadmap of Thailand installed to the phone?
>
>Gawd, it makes one wonder how everyone survived WITHOUT GPS for all those
>centuries of exploration. The Vikings STILL discovered America WITHOUT GPS.
>
The Vikings discovering America was like a drunk discovering
the dunny out the back of a pub; instead of turning left to
piss on the wall he turned right and found the toilet.
Similarly, they probably went off to visit Aunt Helga in
West Greenland and got lost.
Maybe if Ericson and Columbus had had GPS they would not
have got lost, Ericson would have found Aunt Helga and
Columbus would have found Calcutta and the Americas would
still be Indian.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
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>"Markku Gr�nroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>> viestiss�:[email protected] om...
>>>
>>> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have while
>>> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it made
>>> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>>>
>> True. I find GPS gadget typically very practical too. Did you have a
>> roadmap of Thailand installed to the phone?
>
>Gawd, it makes one wonder how everyone survived WITHOUT GPS for all those
>centuries of exploration. The Vikings STILL discovered America WITHOUT GPS.
>
The Vikings discovering America was like a drunk discovering
the dunny out the back of a pub; instead of turning left to
piss on the wall he turned right and found the toilet.
Similarly, they probably went off to visit Aunt Helga in
West Greenland and got lost.
Maybe if Ericson and Columbus had had GPS they would not
have got lost, Ericson would have found Aunt Helga and
Columbus would have found Calcutta and the Americas would
still be Indian.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
Aug 21st 2007, 10:13 am
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William Black <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Markku Gr�nroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
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> >>
> >> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
> >> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not having a
> >> mobile phone seems silly.
> >>
> > Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need one.
>
> Some people go to places where a mobile phone will work and there aren't any
> public phones.
>
> I makes a certain amount of sense to carry a PAYG mobile with a few pounds
> credit on it just in case you have a nasty experience.
And a phone is very slim and light nowadays. The charger is a bit more
of a pain to carry in fact, especially as I have to take an adapter for
it. Some UK chargers have a removable UK plug, which exposes euro or us
etc. adaptors.
--
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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
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> "Markku Gr�nroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] i.fi...
> >
> > "Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
> > viestiss�:[email protected] om...
> >>
> >> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
> >> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not having a
> >> mobile phone seems silly.
> >>
> > Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need one.
>
> Some people go to places where a mobile phone will work and there aren't any
> public phones.
>
> I makes a certain amount of sense to carry a PAYG mobile with a few pounds
> credit on it just in case you have a nasty experience.
And a phone is very slim and light nowadays. The charger is a bit more
of a pain to carry in fact, especially as I have to take an adapter for
it. Some UK chargers have a removable UK plug, which exposes euro or us
etc. adaptors.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
Aug 21st 2007, 10:36 am
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"sharx35" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] i.fi...
>>
>> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>> viestissÀ:5j9lc3trdj6avqi2va24skf845uvh2k0ab@4ax. com...
>>>
>>> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have while
>>> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it made
>>> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>>>
>> True. I find GPS gadget typically very practical too. Did you have a
>> roadmap of Thailand installed to the phone?
>
> Gawd, it makes one wonder how everyone survived WITHOUT GPS for all those
> centuries of exploration. The Vikings STILL discovered America WITHOUT
> GPS.
I wonder how many died trying...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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>
> "Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] i.fi...
>>
>> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>> viestissÀ:5j9lc3trdj6avqi2va24skf845uvh2k0ab@4ax. com...
>>>
>>> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have while
>>> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it made
>>> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>>>
>> True. I find GPS gadget typically very practical too. Did you have a
>> roadmap of Thailand installed to the phone?
>
> Gawd, it makes one wonder how everyone survived WITHOUT GPS for all those
> centuries of exploration. The Vikings STILL discovered America WITHOUT
> GPS.
I wonder how many died trying...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Aug 21st 2007, 10:38 am
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"sharx35" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Those guys who are saddled with "high maintenance" wives, take note.
>
>
Define 'high maintenance' in this case please.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:fLyyi.87$Pd4.76@edtnps82...
> Those guys who are saddled with "high maintenance" wives, take note.
>
>
Define 'high maintenance' in this case please.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Aug 21st 2007, 11:28 am
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sharx35 wrote:
> "Markku Gr�nroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] i.fi...
>>
>> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>> viestiss�:[email protected] om...
>>>
>>> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have
>>> while driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several
>>> occasions
>>> it made finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>>>
>> True. I find GPS gadget typically very practical too. Did you have
>> a
>> roadmap of Thailand installed to the phone?
>
> Gawd, it makes one wonder how everyone survived WITHOUT GPS for all
> those centuries of exploration. The Vikings STILL discovered America
> WITHOUT GPS.
Discovering America is easy--if you sail west from Europe it's pretty
hard to miss.
Discovering Aunt Millie's new place when Aunt Millie is one of those
can't give comprehensible directions is another story.
--
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--John
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> "Markku Gr�nroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] i.fi...
>>
>> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>> viestiss�:[email protected] om...
>>>
>>> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have
>>> while driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several
>>> occasions
>>> it made finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>>>
>> True. I find GPS gadget typically very practical too. Did you have
>> a
>> roadmap of Thailand installed to the phone?
>
> Gawd, it makes one wonder how everyone survived WITHOUT GPS for all
> those centuries of exploration. The Vikings STILL discovered America
> WITHOUT GPS.
Discovering America is easy--if you sail west from Europe it's pretty
hard to miss.
Discovering Aunt Millie's new place when Aunt Millie is one of those
can't give comprehensible directions is another story.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Aug 21st 2007, 11:35 am
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:25:03 GMT, the renowned "sharx35"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, the renowned Markku Gr�nroos
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>>>viestiss�:nl3jc3pki22123egcss1f7vrbitem9vb0v@4a x.com...
>>>>
>>>> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
>>>> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not having a
>>>> mobile phone seems silly.
>>>>
>>>Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need one.
>>
>> You never visit anyone when you're on holiday?
>> You don't have anyone depending on you back home?
>> You don't need to make reservations at a restaurant when you're
>> travelling?
>> You don't ever trip a credit card security flag and have to call?
>>
>> Any single one of those makes carrying a modern GSM phone well worth
>> it, assuming you're mostly travelling where they will work.
>>
>> Of course if your holiday consists of travelling to a set location or
>> two and staying in a fixed hotel, a cell phone may be a needless
>> luxury, particularly if you don't have a demanding job, but in that
>> case, the extra weight is of little consequence.
>>
>
>Demanding job, does your ****ING contract STATE that you have to be ALWAYS
>in touch?
Me? It's to my own benefit, financially and for peace of mind, to stay
in touch. Usually it's not required, but sometimes it comes in very
handy, especially over a period of weeks. When you are aware of
potential problems or have an ailing friend or relative, the phone not
ringing is a very nice thing.
>Every motel or hotel or resort that I have EVER stayed in has
>TELEPHONES.
aka "profit centers". I have bad memories of the old days when we had
to make a late night trek to some foreign Post Office in a strange
city in order not be taken to the cleaners.
>I simply make any calls I need to do every morning or evening
>from the hotel I am in.I leave employers, family, friends, etc a copy of my
>itinerary, including WHERE I will be each day and the phone numbers of my
>hotels.
Only for short business trips or mini-holidays do I ever know that
stuff in advance and in that level of detail. But then packing light
isn't an issue, and the WiFi notebook, mouse, MP3 player with big
headphones etc. usually make the trip too.
>That is a LOT cheaper than getting a cell phone and carting it
>around.
Cheaper, perhaps, although money isn't always paramount. Hotels can
(and do) charge exorbidant rates for long distance and international
calls. With an unlocked GSM cell phone, in most places except Japan
and Korea, you can pop in a local SIM card and get a local phone
number and prepaid long distance for very reasonable price. In fact,
I'm seriously thinking of bringing *two* cell phones (and chargers)
the next time I go to Asia for an extended period of time.
Now, taking the DSLR or not is less of a no-brainer, and I don't even
have all the lenses I want yet. Thousands of dollars worth of stuff,
bulky, fragile, easily stolen, but it delivers a tangible benefit in
terms of potential quality of photos compared to a tiny
point-and-shoot camera. Snapshot vs. the kind of photos that can be
blown up, mounted, and put on the wall. Notebook computers likewise,
though the last family mini vacation we went one we brought two
notebooks so there was no waiting. ;-)
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, the renowned Markku Gr�nroos
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>>>viestiss�:nl3jc3pki22123egcss1f7vrbitem9vb0v@4a x.com...
>>>>
>>>> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
>>>> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not having a
>>>> mobile phone seems silly.
>>>>
>>>Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need one.
>>
>> You never visit anyone when you're on holiday?
>> You don't have anyone depending on you back home?
>> You don't need to make reservations at a restaurant when you're
>> travelling?
>> You don't ever trip a credit card security flag and have to call?
>>
>> Any single one of those makes carrying a modern GSM phone well worth
>> it, assuming you're mostly travelling where they will work.
>>
>> Of course if your holiday consists of travelling to a set location or
>> two and staying in a fixed hotel, a cell phone may be a needless
>> luxury, particularly if you don't have a demanding job, but in that
>> case, the extra weight is of little consequence.
>>
>
>Demanding job, does your ****ING contract STATE that you have to be ALWAYS
>in touch?
Me? It's to my own benefit, financially and for peace of mind, to stay
in touch. Usually it's not required, but sometimes it comes in very
handy, especially over a period of weeks. When you are aware of
potential problems or have an ailing friend or relative, the phone not
ringing is a very nice thing.
>Every motel or hotel or resort that I have EVER stayed in has
>TELEPHONES.
aka "profit centers". I have bad memories of the old days when we had
to make a late night trek to some foreign Post Office in a strange
city in order not be taken to the cleaners.
>I simply make any calls I need to do every morning or evening
>from the hotel I am in.I leave employers, family, friends, etc a copy of my
>itinerary, including WHERE I will be each day and the phone numbers of my
>hotels.
Only for short business trips or mini-holidays do I ever know that
stuff in advance and in that level of detail. But then packing light
isn't an issue, and the WiFi notebook, mouse, MP3 player with big
headphones etc. usually make the trip too.
>That is a LOT cheaper than getting a cell phone and carting it
>around.
Cheaper, perhaps, although money isn't always paramount. Hotels can
(and do) charge exorbidant rates for long distance and international
calls. With an unlocked GSM cell phone, in most places except Japan
and Korea, you can pop in a local SIM card and get a local phone
number and prepaid long distance for very reasonable price. In fact,
I'm seriously thinking of bringing *two* cell phones (and chargers)
the next time I go to Asia for an extended period of time.
Now, taking the DSLR or not is less of a no-brainer, and I don't even
have all the lenses I want yet. Thousands of dollars worth of stuff,
bulky, fragile, easily stolen, but it delivers a tangible benefit in
terms of potential quality of photos compared to a tiny
point-and-shoot camera. Snapshot vs. the kind of photos that can be
blown up, mounted, and put on the wall. Notebook computers likewise,
though the last family mini vacation we went one we brought two
notebooks so there was no waiting. ;-)
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Aug 21st 2007, 11:46 am
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Re: How to pack light, some tips
Chris Blunt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:26:47 GMT, "sharx35" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, Markku Gr�nroos
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>>>> viestiss�:[email protected] om...
>>>>>
>>>>> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
>>>>> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not
>>>>> having a mobile phone seems silly.
>>>>>
>>>> Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need
>>>> one.
>>>
>>> I find a phone to keep in touch with people even more useful when
>>> I'm traveling than it is at home. It also serves as a camera, an
>>> alarm clock, a GPS, and a way to check my emails. Something so
>>> compact that does all that and only weighs around 100g easily
>>> justifies being taken along on any trips I make.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>> They take lousy quality pictures.
>
> In fact I think the 5 megapixel camera on my Nokia N95 takes better
> pictures than my Canon IXUS which I bought only a couple of years
> ago.
> It may not be a professional quality camera, I don't think anyone
> would describe the quality as lousy.
>
>> No, you do NOT need GPS unless you are,
>> perhaps, on safari and surely the OPERATORS of the safari will take
>> care of THAT need.
>
> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have
> while
> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it
> made
> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>
>> E-mails can be checked at any one of the MILLIONS of cyber cafes
>> in the world.
>
> Of course, and that's probably what I'd do if I wanted to do any
> serious work online. The advantage for me is being able to check
> instantly from anywhere whether there's any email that needs
> attending
> to in the first place, without even having to go near an internet
> cafe.
Personally I've never gotten an email that _needed_ checking. If
someone really wants to get hold of me they can call and if they want
to get hold of me when I'm on vacation they can bloody well leave a
message and wait until I get home.
The cell phone is for _my_ convenience, not for the convenience of
others. While I always carry it, unless I'm using it or expecting a
call from someone I want to talk to, it's turned off.
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> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:26:47 GMT, "sharx35" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, Markku Gr�nroos
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>>>> viestiss�:[email protected] om...
>>>>>
>>>>> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
>>>>> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not
>>>>> having a mobile phone seems silly.
>>>>>
>>>> Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need
>>>> one.
>>>
>>> I find a phone to keep in touch with people even more useful when
>>> I'm traveling than it is at home. It also serves as a camera, an
>>> alarm clock, a GPS, and a way to check my emails. Something so
>>> compact that does all that and only weighs around 100g easily
>>> justifies being taken along on any trips I make.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>> They take lousy quality pictures.
>
> In fact I think the 5 megapixel camera on my Nokia N95 takes better
> pictures than my Canon IXUS which I bought only a couple of years
> ago.
> It may not be a professional quality camera, I don't think anyone
> would describe the quality as lousy.
>
>> No, you do NOT need GPS unless you are,
>> perhaps, on safari and surely the OPERATORS of the safari will take
>> care of THAT need.
>
> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have
> while
> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it
> made
> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>
>> E-mails can be checked at any one of the MILLIONS of cyber cafes
>> in the world.
>
> Of course, and that's probably what I'd do if I wanted to do any
> serious work online. The advantage for me is being able to check
> instantly from anywhere whether there's any email that needs
> attending
> to in the first place, without even having to go near an internet
> cafe.
Personally I've never gotten an email that _needed_ checking. If
someone really wants to get hold of me they can call and if they want
to get hold of me when I'm on vacation they can bloody well leave a
message and wait until I get home.
The cell phone is for _my_ convenience, not for the convenience of
others. While I always carry it, unless I'm using it or expecting a
call from someone I want to talk to, it's turned off.
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