Europeans: Can't Stand the Heat?
Aug 21st 2003 | 6:56 pm
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Re: Europeans: Can't Stand the Heat?
Miguel Cruz wrote:
> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Jim Morris writes:
> >> Last time we checked, the weather here in Washington was in the upper
> >> 80s, which is average to low for this time of year. Temperatures in
> >> Houston and Dallas in the past couple of days have topped 100, as they
> >> usually do in summer. Yet somehow, no one's talking about extraordinary
> >> measures being taken by Texans or Washingtonians.
> >
> > That's because you have air conditioning.
> I live in Washington (DC) and I haven't used my air conditioner in years.
> The fan and judicious application of venetian blinds work great.
Miguel, as someone who has been a frequent visitor to your area in the
swampish depths of a DC summer, you are a brave exception (or I guess you
prefer warmth, as you've often stated ...:-).
Sir, I salute you!
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> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Jim Morris writes:
> >> Last time we checked, the weather here in Washington was in the upper
> >> 80s, which is average to low for this time of year. Temperatures in
> >> Houston and Dallas in the past couple of days have topped 100, as they
> >> usually do in summer. Yet somehow, no one's talking about extraordinary
> >> measures being taken by Texans or Washingtonians.
> >
> > That's because you have air conditioning.
> I live in Washington (DC) and I haven't used my air conditioner in years.
> The fan and judicious application of venetian blinds work great.
Miguel, as someone who has been a frequent visitor to your area in the
swampish depths of a DC summer, you are a brave exception (or I guess you
prefer warmth, as you've often stated ...:-).
Sir, I salute you!
--
Best
Greg ;--)
Aug 21st 2003 | 6:59 pm
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Re: Europeans: Can't Stand the Heat?
Emilia wrote:
> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > Juliana L Holm writes:
> >
> >> Most domiciles here come with them already installed. When I say
> >> most, I mean like 95%.
> >
> > If they are already there, why not use them?
> >
> Some people don't like airconditioning for whatever reason. One of my
> colleagues refuses to put on the air conditioning...
That is because they are "European"....
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Greg
> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > Juliana L Holm writes:
> >
> >> Most domiciles here come with them already installed. When I say
> >> most, I mean like 95%.
> >
> > If they are already there, why not use them?
> >
> Some people don't like airconditioning for whatever reason. One of my
> colleagues refuses to put on the air conditioning...
That is because they are "European"....
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Greg
Aug 21st 2003 | 7:02 pm
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Juliana L Holm wrote:
> Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Jim Morris writes:
> >>> Last time we checked, the weather here in Washington was in the upper
> >>> 80s, which is average to low for this time of year. Temperatures in
> >>> Houston and Dallas in the past couple of days have topped 100, as they
> >>> usually do in summer. Yet somehow, no one's talking about
extraordinary
> >>> measures being taken by Texans or Washingtonians.
> >>
> >> That's because you have air conditioning.
> > I live in Washington (DC) and I haven't used my air conditioner in
years.
> > The fan and judicious application of venetian blinds work great.
> Miguel, you are hardly typical (although I applaud your attitude.)
I agree :-)
--
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Greg
> Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Jim Morris writes:
> >>> Last time we checked, the weather here in Washington was in the upper
> >>> 80s, which is average to low for this time of year. Temperatures in
> >>> Houston and Dallas in the past couple of days have topped 100, as they
> >>> usually do in summer. Yet somehow, no one's talking about
extraordinary
> >>> measures being taken by Texans or Washingtonians.
> >>
> >> That's because you have air conditioning.
> > I live in Washington (DC) and I haven't used my air conditioner in
years.
> > The fan and judicious application of venetian blinds work great.
> Miguel, you are hardly typical (although I applaud your attitude.)
I agree :-)
--
Best
Greg
Aug 21st 2003 | 7:11 pm
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Re: Europeans: Can't Stand the Heat?
Emilia wrote:
> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > Mike O'Sullivan writes:
> >
> >> We had temperatures in the 90s for about two weeks in the South of
> >> England. Unbearable, but two weeks of excessive temps cetainly does
> >> not justify the installation of expensive air cooling systems.
> >
> > Why not? Two weeks of high temperatures was sufficient to kill 13,000
> > people in France. What are their lives worth? If a similar number of
> > people died of the cold in winter, would you consider that
> > insufficient to justify installation of expensive heating systems?
> It is not typical that it gets as hot in those two weeks as it did this
> year. In Switzerland (and in many other European countries) there were
> temperature higher than ever in the time they have been keeping records.
> Even with all the air conditioning I remember hearing about people dying
in
> Chicago during a heat wave.
[could one substitute "Paris" for "Chicago" below?]
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/C.../443213in.html
Dying Alone
An interview with Eric Klinenberg
author of Heat Wave: A Social Autopsy of Disaster in Chicago
Question: Take us back to July 1995 in the city of Chicago. How hot was it?
What were the city and its residents going through?
Klinenberg: Chicago felt tropical, like Fiji or Guam but with an added layer
of polluted city air trapping the heat. On the first day of the heat wave,
Thursday, July 13, the temperature hit 106 degrees, and the heat index-a
combination of heat and humidity that measures the temperature a typical
person would feel-rose above 120. For a week, the heat persisted, running
between the 90s and low 100s. The night temperatures, in the low to mid-80s,
were unusually high and didn't provide much relief. Chicago's houses and
apartment buildings baked like ovens. Air-conditioning helped, of course, if
you were fortunate enough to have it. But many people only had fans and open
windows, which just recirculated the hot air.
The city set new records for energy use, which then led to the failure of
some power grids-at one point, 49,000 households had no electricity. Many
Chicagoans swarmed the city's beaches, but others took to the fire hydrants.
More than 3,000 hydrants around Chicago were opened, causing some
neighborhoods to lose water pressure on top of losing electricity. When
emergency crews came to seal the hydrants, some people threw bricks and
rocks to keep them away.
The heat made the city's roads buckle. Train rails warped, causing long
commuter and freight delays. City workers watered bridges to prevent them
from locking when the plates expanded. Children riding in school buses
became so dehydrated and nauseous that they had to be hosed down by the Fire
Department. Hundreds of young people were hospitalized with heat-related
illnesses. But the elderly, and especially the elderly who lived alone, were
most vulnerable to the heat wave.
After about forty-eight hours of continuous exposure to heat, the body's
defenses begin to fail. So by Friday, July 14, thousands of Chicagoans had
developed severe heat-related illnesses. Paramedics couldn't keep up with
emergency calls, and city hospitals were overwhelmed. Twenty-three
hospitals-most on the South and Southwest Sides-went on bypass status,
closing the doors of their emergency rooms to new patients. Some ambulance
crews drove around the city for miles looking for an open bed.
Hundreds of victims never made it to a hospital. The most overcrowded place
in the city was the Cook County Medical Examiners Office, where police
transported hundreds of bodies for autopsies. The morgue typically receives
about 17 bodies a day and has a total of 222 bays. By Saturday-just three
days into the heat wave-its capacity was exceeded by hundreds, and the
county had to bring in a fleet of refrigerated trucks to store the bodies.
Police officers had to wait as long as three hours for a worker to receive
the body. It was gruesome and incredible for this to be happening in the
middle of a modern American city.
Question: How many people died as a result of the heat wave?
Klinenberg: In 1995 there were no uniform standards for determining a "heat
related death," so officials had to develop them. Edmund Donoghue, Cook
County's chief medical examiner, used state-of-the-art criteria to report
465 heat-related deaths for the heat wave week and 521 heat deaths for the
month of July. But Mayor Richard M. Daley challenged these findings. "It's
hot," the mayor told the media. "But let's not blow it out of proportion. .
. . Every day people die of natural causes. You cannot claim that everybody
who has died in the last eight or nine days dies of heat. Then everybody in
the summer that dies will die of heat." Many local journalists shared
Daley's skepticism, and before long the city was mired in a callous debate
over whether the so-called heat deaths were-to use the term that recurred at
the time-"really real."
[...]
> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > Mike O'Sullivan writes:
> >
> >> We had temperatures in the 90s for about two weeks in the South of
> >> England. Unbearable, but two weeks of excessive temps cetainly does
> >> not justify the installation of expensive air cooling systems.
> >
> > Why not? Two weeks of high temperatures was sufficient to kill 13,000
> > people in France. What are their lives worth? If a similar number of
> > people died of the cold in winter, would you consider that
> > insufficient to justify installation of expensive heating systems?
> It is not typical that it gets as hot in those two weeks as it did this
> year. In Switzerland (and in many other European countries) there were
> temperature higher than ever in the time they have been keeping records.
> Even with all the air conditioning I remember hearing about people dying
in
> Chicago during a heat wave.
[could one substitute "Paris" for "Chicago" below?]
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/C.../443213in.html
Dying Alone
An interview with Eric Klinenberg
author of Heat Wave: A Social Autopsy of Disaster in Chicago
Question: Take us back to July 1995 in the city of Chicago. How hot was it?
What were the city and its residents going through?
Klinenberg: Chicago felt tropical, like Fiji or Guam but with an added layer
of polluted city air trapping the heat. On the first day of the heat wave,
Thursday, July 13, the temperature hit 106 degrees, and the heat index-a
combination of heat and humidity that measures the temperature a typical
person would feel-rose above 120. For a week, the heat persisted, running
between the 90s and low 100s. The night temperatures, in the low to mid-80s,
were unusually high and didn't provide much relief. Chicago's houses and
apartment buildings baked like ovens. Air-conditioning helped, of course, if
you were fortunate enough to have it. But many people only had fans and open
windows, which just recirculated the hot air.
The city set new records for energy use, which then led to the failure of
some power grids-at one point, 49,000 households had no electricity. Many
Chicagoans swarmed the city's beaches, but others took to the fire hydrants.
More than 3,000 hydrants around Chicago were opened, causing some
neighborhoods to lose water pressure on top of losing electricity. When
emergency crews came to seal the hydrants, some people threw bricks and
rocks to keep them away.
The heat made the city's roads buckle. Train rails warped, causing long
commuter and freight delays. City workers watered bridges to prevent them
from locking when the plates expanded. Children riding in school buses
became so dehydrated and nauseous that they had to be hosed down by the Fire
Department. Hundreds of young people were hospitalized with heat-related
illnesses. But the elderly, and especially the elderly who lived alone, were
most vulnerable to the heat wave.
After about forty-eight hours of continuous exposure to heat, the body's
defenses begin to fail. So by Friday, July 14, thousands of Chicagoans had
developed severe heat-related illnesses. Paramedics couldn't keep up with
emergency calls, and city hospitals were overwhelmed. Twenty-three
hospitals-most on the South and Southwest Sides-went on bypass status,
closing the doors of their emergency rooms to new patients. Some ambulance
crews drove around the city for miles looking for an open bed.
Hundreds of victims never made it to a hospital. The most overcrowded place
in the city was the Cook County Medical Examiners Office, where police
transported hundreds of bodies for autopsies. The morgue typically receives
about 17 bodies a day and has a total of 222 bays. By Saturday-just three
days into the heat wave-its capacity was exceeded by hundreds, and the
county had to bring in a fleet of refrigerated trucks to store the bodies.
Police officers had to wait as long as three hours for a worker to receive
the body. It was gruesome and incredible for this to be happening in the
middle of a modern American city.
Question: How many people died as a result of the heat wave?
Klinenberg: In 1995 there were no uniform standards for determining a "heat
related death," so officials had to develop them. Edmund Donoghue, Cook
County's chief medical examiner, used state-of-the-art criteria to report
465 heat-related deaths for the heat wave week and 521 heat deaths for the
month of July. But Mayor Richard M. Daley challenged these findings. "It's
hot," the mayor told the media. "But let's not blow it out of proportion. .
. . Every day people die of natural causes. You cannot claim that everybody
who has died in the last eight or nine days dies of heat. Then everybody in
the summer that dies will die of heat." Many local journalists shared
Daley's skepticism, and before long the city was mired in a callous debate
over whether the so-called heat deaths were-to use the term that recurred at
the time-"really real."
[...]
Aug 21st 2003 | 8:29 pm
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Re: Europeans: Can't Stand the Heat?
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
> XOR writes:
>
> > How many people died in Portugal?
>
> I don't know.
>
> > Or is *each and every* home in Portugal air conditioned,
> > as supposedly it is in the US?
>
>and social habits and structures
> are built with higher temperatures in mind.
Social habits and stuctures? You mean buildings *can* be built that
aren't entirely dependent upon a/c in such climes? You mean one can
adjust one's lifestyle to deal with higher temperatures?
Uh oh, I think you just *might* be admitting that there are other
elements to survival in the heat.
> XOR writes:
>
> > How many people died in Portugal?
>
> I don't know.
>
> > Or is *each and every* home in Portugal air conditioned,
> > as supposedly it is in the US?
>
>and social habits and structures
> are built with higher temperatures in mind.
Social habits and stuctures? You mean buildings *can* be built that
aren't entirely dependent upon a/c in such climes? You mean one can
adjust one's lifestyle to deal with higher temperatures?
Uh oh, I think you just *might* be admitting that there are other
elements to survival in the heat.
Aug 21st 2003 | 8:32 pm
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
> Fans won't work at 108° F and 60% humidity in closed spaces.
Do apartment units in Paris not have windows?
> Fans won't work at 108° F and 60% humidity in closed spaces.
Do apartment units in Paris not have windows?
Aug 21st 2003 | 10:46 pm
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"Fred Albrecht" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
> Lennart Petersen a dit dans rec.travel.europe :
> >> another knee jerk anti-American --- is there anyone who is confused
when
> >> they see 105degrees? or 41 for that matter?
> > 41 at least is confusing. But why is it so difficult to just add on
a
> > C or F ?
> > So what about 16 as the actual temperature is outdoor here ?
> > Think it's confusing both ways.
> In international groups, one would assume that standard international
units
> are used.
Perhaps but what's accepted international standard
At least I found this by search
http://www.scorpiosite69.freeserve.c...emperature.htm
news:[email protected]...
> Lennart Petersen a dit dans rec.travel.europe :
> >> another knee jerk anti-American --- is there anyone who is confused
when
> >> they see 105degrees? or 41 for that matter?
> > 41 at least is confusing. But why is it so difficult to just add on
a
> > C or F ?
> > So what about 16 as the actual temperature is outdoor here ?
> > Think it's confusing both ways.
> In international groups, one would assume that standard international
units
> are used.
Perhaps but what's accepted international standard
At least I found this by search
http://www.scorpiosite69.freeserve.c...emperature.htm
Aug 21st 2003 | 11:22 pm
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"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> That is because they are "European"....
As "European", this is flattering to be considered as people worried
about excessive energy consumption and the many recycling problems
involved with air co equipment.
Even in Canada, you get taxed $100 if you car has air conditionning
Calagan
> That is because they are "European"....
As "European", this is flattering to be considered as people worried
about excessive energy consumption and the many recycling problems
involved with air co equipment.
Even in Canada, you get taxed $100 if you car has air conditionning
Calagan
Aug 22nd 2003 | 1:01 am
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 04:22:03 -0700, Calagan wrote:
> "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> That is because they are "European"....
>
> As "European", this is flattering to be considered as people worried
> about excessive energy consumption and the many recycling problems
> involved with air co equipment.
>
> Even in Canada, you get taxed $100 if you car has air conditionning
A one-time thing. I believe it's a disposal thing.
> "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> That is because they are "European"....
>
> As "European", this is flattering to be considered as people worried
> about excessive energy consumption and the many recycling problems
> involved with air co equipment.
>
> Even in Canada, you get taxed $100 if you car has air conditionning
A one-time thing. I believe it's a disposal thing.
Aug 22nd 2003 | 1:29 am
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:43:57 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
> Far less than would have died without air conditioning. And Chicago is
> not a warm climate.
Chicago in summer, not warm?
> Far less than would have died without air conditioning. And Chicago is
> not a warm climate.
Chicago in summer, not warm?
Aug 22nd 2003 | 2:03 am
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devil wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:43:57 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
> > Far less than would have died without air conditioning. And Chicago is
> > not a warm climate.
> Chicago in summer, not warm?
Can be blistering, frex the famous summer heat waves of 1988 and 1995. This
summer hasn't been bad at all - our worst day so far was yesterday at about
110 degrees F. heat/humidity index (dew point was 73 degrees F.,
astoundingly high and so uncomfortable; despite this for the last two
summers I've only used the a/c in the bedroom, I'm okay in the rest of my
flat with whatever nature brings [I also have a lot of plants that enjoy
summer]). June was cold and rainy, so we are actually having a short
summer. Last night a lovely Canadian cool front blew through so we are
basking in the low - mid 70's with brilliant sunshine today . Thank you
Canada :-)
One thing about living with an extreme contintental climate as we do here in
the North American Midwest is that it is SO unpredictable: will this winter
be record - breaking cold and snow? Will summer be reasonable or will we go
through deadly heat spells? If one lives in Miami or San Diego or
Vancouver or wherever the climate is/can be *fairly* predictable. But not
here in the centre of the continent....where Toronto frex has been
experiencing an awful heat + humidity wave the last few days that would do
Alabama proud :-|
Of course also a fairly "weather - predictable" place like Washington DC can
receive enough snow sometimes (as last winter) that it puts "wintry" Chicago
or Toronto to shame ;----)
So ya never know....
--
Best
Greg
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:43:57 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
> > Far less than would have died without air conditioning. And Chicago is
> > not a warm climate.
> Chicago in summer, not warm?
Can be blistering, frex the famous summer heat waves of 1988 and 1995. This
summer hasn't been bad at all - our worst day so far was yesterday at about
110 degrees F. heat/humidity index (dew point was 73 degrees F.,
astoundingly high and so uncomfortable; despite this for the last two
summers I've only used the a/c in the bedroom, I'm okay in the rest of my
flat with whatever nature brings [I also have a lot of plants that enjoy
summer]). June was cold and rainy, so we are actually having a short
summer. Last night a lovely Canadian cool front blew through so we are
basking in the low - mid 70's with brilliant sunshine today . Thank you
Canada :-)
One thing about living with an extreme contintental climate as we do here in
the North American Midwest is that it is SO unpredictable: will this winter
be record - breaking cold and snow? Will summer be reasonable or will we go
through deadly heat spells? If one lives in Miami or San Diego or
Vancouver or wherever the climate is/can be *fairly* predictable. But not
here in the centre of the continent....where Toronto frex has been
experiencing an awful heat + humidity wave the last few days that would do
Alabama proud :-|
Of course also a fairly "weather - predictable" place like Washington DC can
receive enough snow sometimes (as last winter) that it puts "wintry" Chicago
or Toronto to shame ;----)
So ya never know....
--
Best
Greg
Aug 22nd 2003 | 2:20 am
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"devil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news
[email protected]...
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:43:57 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
> > Far less than would have died without air conditioning. And Chicago is
> > not a warm climate.
> Chicago in summer, not warm?
No bleeding hot, last time I was there in August it hit 98
deg on several occasions, its been reporedly rather
cool this summer though.
Keith
news
[email protected]...> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:43:57 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
> > Far less than would have died without air conditioning. And Chicago is
> > not a warm climate.
> Chicago in summer, not warm?
No bleeding hot, last time I was there in August it hit 98
deg on several occasions, its been reporedly rather
cool this summer though.
Keith
Aug 22nd 2003 | 2:29 am
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:47:39 +0200, Mxsmanic
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hatunen writes:
>> They are expensive to run, for one thing.
>They cost less to run than you lose in time by sitting in a stupor
>because of the heat.
some people have considerably more time than money.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hatunen writes:
>> They are expensive to run, for one thing.
>They cost less to run than you lose in time by sitting in a stupor
>because of the heat.
some people have considerably more time than money.
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* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Aug 22nd 2003 | 2:30 am
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:44:09 -0500, Jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:38:41 -0500, Jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >another knee jerk anti-American --- is there anyone who is confused when
>> >they see 105degrees? or 41 for that matter?
>>
>> Me, for one. Although sometimes context can make it clear, and
>> sometimes not.
>yeah right -- in a discussion of heat deaths you are confused when you
>see 105 or 41 uh huh
That's called "context", per above.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:38:41 -0500, Jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >another knee jerk anti-American --- is there anyone who is confused when
>> >they see 105degrees? or 41 for that matter?
>>
>> Me, for one. Although sometimes context can make it clear, and
>> sometimes not.
>yeah right -- in a discussion of heat deaths you are confused when you
>see 105 or 41 uh huh
That's called "context", per above.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Aug 22nd 2003 | 2:31 am
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:43:57 +0200, Mxsmanic
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Emilia <emilia@(itain't)easy.com> writes:
>> It is not typical that it gets as hot in those two weeks as it did this
>> year.
>It will be.
>> Even with all the air conditioning I remember hearing about people dying in
>> Chicago during a heat wave.
>Far less than would have died without air conditioning. And Chicago is
>not a warm climate.
Chicago has a temperate *average* climate, but climate is what
you expect, whether is what you get. Chicago is a pretty warm
place in the summer and a pretty cold place in the winter.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Emilia <emilia@(itain't)easy.com> writes:
>> It is not typical that it gets as hot in those two weeks as it did this
>> year.
>It will be.
>> Even with all the air conditioning I remember hearing about people dying in
>> Chicago during a heat wave.
>Far less than would have died without air conditioning. And Chicago is
>not a warm climate.
Chicago has a temperate *average* climate, but climate is what
you expect, whether is what you get. Chicago is a pretty warm
place in the summer and a pretty cold place in the winter.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
