In article <[email protected]>,
"sascha" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "nick" <[email protected]> schrieb:
    > > Americans *really* need to study the Earth more, paying
    > > particular attention to the latitude of Europe..
    >
    > ...and 97 % of the world is using Celsius.
    > Is it asked too much for to type a C or an F?
    > It seems 3 % don't give a f****
    >
    >
    >
    >

another knee jerk anti-American --- is there anyone who is confused when
they see 105degrees? or 41 for that matter?

"Jenn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Mike O'Sullivan writes:
    > >
    > > > We had temperatures in the 90s for about two weeks in the South of
England.
    > > > Unbearable, but two weeks of excessive temps cetainly does not justify
the
    > > > installation of expensive air cooling systems.
    > >
    > > Why not? Two weeks of high temperatures was sufficient to kill 13,000
    > > people in France. What are their lives worth? If a similar number of
    > > people died of the cold in winter, would you consider that insufficient
    > > to justify installation of expensive heating systems?
    > The mistake in Paris was in not heeding public health officials who
    > warned of the potential for disaster and doing something about it.
    > In the US when there is a heat wave in a northern city, steps are taken
    > to provide fans, check on and often provide transportation to day time
    > cool sites for the poor elderly who might not be able to fend for
    > themselves.
    > Having spent much of the French heat wave in the Louvre [a nicely
    > chilled environment], I can appreciate the value of being able to get
    > out of the heat during the worst of the day --- hundreds of elderly
    > people in their walk ups just suffocated.
    > You don't need air conditioning in Paris and London -- but you do need
    > to be alert to situations where vulnerable people need assistance.

Agreed.

"Jenn" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "sascha" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > "nick" <[email protected]> schrieb:
    > > > Americans *really* need to study the Earth more, paying
    > > > particular attention to the latitude of Europe..
    > >
    > > ...and 97 % of the world is using Celsius.
    > > Is it asked too much for to type a C or an F?
    > > It seems 3 % don't give a f****
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > another knee jerk anti-American --- is there anyone who is confused when
    > they see 105degrees? or 41 for that matter?
41 at least is confusing. But why is it so difficult to just add on a C
or F ?
So what about 16 as the actual temperature is outdoor here ?
Think it's confusing both ways.

    > Even with all the air conditioning I remember hearing about people
    > dying in Chicago during a heat wave.

I believe those were older people living in apartments with no AC.


Casey

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:38:41 -0500, Jenn <[email protected]> wrote:

    >another knee jerk anti-American --- is there anyone who is confused when
    >they see 105degrees? or 41 for that matter?

Me, for one. Although sometimes context can make it clear, and
sometimes not.

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:32:57 +0100, "Mark Hewitt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Jim Morris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> Can't Stand the Heat?
    >Plonk!
    >Of course it's not a problem in the USA because it's like that all the time
    >and you have the infrastructure to cope! It's only a problem in Europe
    >because it's unusual.

Which was, in fact, the point of the article -- if anyone cared to
think about it rather than leaping to take offense.


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Lennart Petersen a dit dans rec.travel.europe :


    >> another knee jerk anti-American --- is there anyone who is confused when
    >> they see 105degrees? or 41 for that matter?
    > 41 at least is confusing. But why is it so difficult to just add on a
    > C or F ?
    > So what about 16 as the actual temperature is outdoor here ?
    > Think it's confusing both ways.

In international groups, one would assume that standard international units
are used.

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Keeger <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Juliana L Holm <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Julie - Who also bought a house on purpose within walking distance of the
    >> Metro so I don't have to use a car for practically anything, either, and
    >> does not eat meat, and recycles everything she can, while purchasing
    >> stuff with less and/or recyclable wrapping.
    > You bought a house when there are homeless people in the world! And they
    > cut down lovely trees to build those houses! What a thoughtless person!

Everyone has to make their own decisions about where to draw the line
between waste and necessity. The fact that people are concerned does not
mean they are suddenly hypocrites if they fail to take it to an absurd
extreme. Some concern is better than none.

My feeling is that if I could reasonably do something myself (walk rather
than take the elevator, bike rather than ride or drive, rake rather than use
a leaf blower, push a mower rather than ride one, etc.) then I do it rather
than using a machine. It's good for me and it's good for the planet. So why
not?

As for A/C, I'm just as comfortable with a fan, so again, why not? Actually,
since I spend a fair amount of time outdoors, I find the fan preferable -
with a fan I can cool down to a comfortable level almost instantly upon
coming inside. With A/C it takes much longer, and then when I go outside,
it's more of a shock.

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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > Jim Morris writes:
    >
    > > TO LISTEN TO THE FUSS Europeans are making about their weather,
    > > anyone would think that it was actually hot over there.
    >
    > It is, or it was. Up to 110-115° F on the street, with a record of 117°
    > F in the shade in Portugal. Indoor temperatures were often higher.
    > Humidity remained high at the same time, and there was no wind.

How many people died in Portugal?

13,000?

Or is *each and every* home in Portugal air conditioned, as supposedly
it is in the US?

X.

[email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>.. .
    > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Jim Morris writes:
    > >> Last time we checked, the weather here in Washington was in the upper
    > >> 80s, which is average to low for this time of year. Temperatures in
    > >> Houston and Dallas in the past couple of days have topped 100, as they
    > >> usually do in summer. Yet somehow, no one's talking about extraordinary
    > >> measures being taken by Texans or Washingtonians.
    > >
    > > That's because you have air conditioning.
    >
    > I live in Washington (DC) and I haven't used my air conditioner in years.
    > The fan and judicious application of venetian blinds work great.
    >
    > miguel

Hey, if you're ever in Texas in the summertime, then you can come to
my non-a/c'd house for dinner! Mxsmanic, you can come too, only you'd
probably complain about the heat all evening and insist we're all
about to keel over any second. And that tends to kill a party

X.

Emilia <emilia@(itain't)easy.com> writes:

    > It is not typical that it gets as hot in those two weeks as it did this
    > year.

It will be.

    > Even with all the air conditioning I remember hearing about people dying in
    > Chicago during a heat wave.

Far less than would have died without air conditioning. And Chicago is
not a warm climate.

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Jenn writes:

    > The mistake in Paris was in not heeding public health officials who
    > warned of the potential for disaster and doing something about it.

Just exactly what could anyone have done about it?

    > In the US when there is a heat wave in a northern city, steps are taken
    > to provide fans, check on and often provide transportation to day time
    > cool sites for the poor elderly who might not be able to fend for
    > themselves.

Fans won't work at 108° F and 60% humidity in closed spaces.

    > You don't need air conditioning in Paris and London -- but you do need
    > to be alert to situations where vulnerable people need assistance.

You need air conditioning to provide adequate cooling in extreme heat.

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Juliana L Holm writes:

    > Because they are very hard on the environment! They use up a lot of scare
    > energy resources (air conditioning is very expensive) and they contain
    > greenhouse gasses.

Heating uses a great deal of energy, too. Why is that okay, if it's not
okay when used for cooling?

And they contain, but do not release, greenhouse gases, so they do no
harm in that respect.

    > If you care about what you are doing to the envioronment
    > and Miguel clearly does, then you limit your use.

I care about staying alive, and for that I need air conditioning. If
you want to save energy, turn off your heat next winter.

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Hatunen writes:

    > They are expensive to run, for one thing.

They cost less to run than you lose in time by sitting in a stupor
because of the heat.

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XOR writes:

    > How many people died in Portugal?

I don't know.

    > Or is *each and every* home in Portugal air conditioned,
    > as supposedly it is in the US?

Air conditioning is more widely used, and social habits and structures
are built with higher temperatures in mind. However, Portugal had its
share of problems, with temperatures reaching 117° F.

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