"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Over the last 30 years we have tried just about every combination of
> routes
> including the one you recommend and come to the conclusion that no route
> is
> particularly fast.

True.

All the money went into that bloody bridge so the roads to the North of Hull
are undeveloped.

The original plan was for a coastal motorway between Hull and Middlesbrough
but the cash went down the hole for the bridge footings on the Humber South
Bank.

These days the Eco-Nazis would stop it even being thought about...

The 'Whitby, Scarborough, Bridlington' area is about as far as you can get
from a decent fast trunk road and remain in England...

Which is one of the reasons I live here...

There are big advantages in being an hour and a half from the nearest
motorway...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:27:45 GMT, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>
>> Over the last 30 years we have tried just about every combination of
>> routes
>> including the one you recommend and come to the conclusion that no route
>> is
>> particularly fast.
>
>True.
>
>All the money went into that bloody bridge so the roads to the North of Hull
>are undeveloped.
>
>The original plan was for a coastal motorway between Hull and Middlesbrough
>but the cash went down the hole for the bridge footings on the Humber South
>Bank.

I didn't know that. I thought it was all part of the general slow down on
motorway building caused by one of the many recessions.

>
>These days the Eco-Nazis would stop it even being thought about...
>
>The 'Whitby, Scarborough, Bridlington' area is about as far as you can get
>from a decent fast trunk road and remain in England...

The A64 would probably be faster if the dual carriages were reduced to one lane
each way at weekends, there are enormous queues at the end of each dual carriage
section caused by idiots who are unable to merge.

>
>Which is one of the reasons I live here...

:-)

>
>There are big advantages in being an hour and a half from the nearest
>motorway...

... true.

There should be even more right angle bends with a stone bridge on the road
between Pickering and Whitby, too many idiots are surviving the trip every week.
Instead of repairing the holes in the walls every week they should remove the
walls and make the rivers under the bridges deeper.
--

Martin

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:27:45 GMT, "William Black"
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:

>>The original plan was for a coastal motorway between Hull and
>>Middlesbrough
>>but the cash went down the hole for the bridge footings on the Humber
>>South
>>Bank.
>
> I didn't know that. I thought it was all part of the general slow down on
> motorway building caused by one of the many recessions.

Nope.

It was all one project.

The money went down the hole...

>>These days the Eco-Nazis would stop it even being thought about...
>>
>>The 'Whitby, Scarborough, Bridlington' area is about as far as you can get
>>from a decent fast trunk road and remain in England...
>
> The A64 would probably be faster if the dual carriages were reduced to one
> lane
> each way at weekends, there are enormous queues at the end of each dual
> carriage
> section caused by idiots who are unable to merge.

I spend a reasonable amount of time making sure I always head in the
opposite way to the traffic at weekends and bank holidays...

>>
>>There are big advantages in being an hour and a half from the nearest
>>motorway...
>
> ... true.
>
> There should be even more right angle bends with a stone bridge on the
> road
> between Pickering and Whitby, too many idiots are surviving the trip every
> week.
> Instead of repairing the holes in the walls every week they should remove
> the
> walls and make the rivers under the bridges deeper.

And crank that bloody big radar-set up to microwave cooker levels.

Did you know that the reason the road from Pickering to Whitby is so wide
and well surfaced is because the US Airforce pays for it...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:16:22 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>That is where the knife-edge balance exists. The moments preceding
>that ugly stage of drunkenness are actually great fun.

Lots of things are fun without being sophisticated.

I actually don't enjoy even a little buzz, and when I'm the only one
sober in a group, they all seem to think they're being really witty
when they're saying the most banal things.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:13:44 GMT, "William Black"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Who finds the idea of a drunk on the street shocking?

Even Italian alcoholics tend not to drink in public.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:31:49 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Wine is always cultured. Anyone wine-drunk is classier that a beer
>drinker, no matter the argument.

I used to know some winos who were about the least classy people I've
ever come across.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:50:36 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>More evidence of sophistication in Scarborough today
>http://www.scarborougheveningnews.co...rticleid)75762

Come to think of it, the brothel is less disturbing to me than public
drunkenness. Maybe because the latter so often ends in violence, while
the former rarely does.

--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:13:44 GMT, "William Black"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Who finds the idea of a drunk on the street shocking?
>
> Even Italian alcoholics tend not to drink in public.

The last time I was in Italy there was no shortage of people drinking
alcohol about the place.

Are you saying that alcoholics in Italy never drink in public?


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:11:42 GMT, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:27:45 GMT, "William Black"
>> <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>
>>>The original plan was for a coastal motorway between Hull and
>>>Middlesbrough
>>>but the cash went down the hole for the bridge footings on the Humber
>>>South
>>>Bank.
>>
>> I didn't know that. I thought it was all part of the general slow down on
>> motorway building caused by one of the many recessions.
>
>Nope.
>
>It was all one project.
>
>The money went down the hole...

It's odd that the A64 was never turned into a motorway or at least made dual
carriageway for the whole of it's length.

>
>>>These days the Eco-Nazis would stop it even being thought about...
>>>
>>>The 'Whitby, Scarborough, Bridlington' area is about as far as you can get
>>>from a decent fast trunk road and remain in England...
>>
>> The A64 would probably be faster if the dual carriages were reduced to one
>> lane
>> each way at weekends, there are enormous queues at the end of each dual
>> carriage
>> section caused by idiots who are unable to merge.
>
>I spend a reasonable amount of time making sure I always head in the
>opposite way to the traffic at weekends and bank holidays...

Us too, that's how we noticed what was causing the jams on the A64 two Sundays
ago.

>
>>>
>>>There are big advantages in being an hour and a half from the nearest
>>>motorway...
>>
>> ... true.
>>
>> There should be even more right angle bends with a stone bridge on the
>> road
>> between Pickering and Whitby, too many idiots are surviving the trip every
>> week.
>> Instead of repairing the holes in the walls every week they should remove
>> the
>> walls and make the rivers under the bridges deeper.
>
>And crank that bloody big radar-set up to microwave cooker levels.

LOL It used to upset the TV when we had a friend with a house in Goathland.


>
>Did you know that the reason the road from Pickering to Whitby is so wide
>and well surfaced is because the US Airforce pays for it...

*RAF* Fylingdales surely :-)

Did you know that the road that runs from one end to the other of the Turkish
was also paid by the USA AKA NATO.
--

Martin

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:32:34 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:13:44 GMT, "William Black"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Who finds the idea of a drunk on the street shocking?
>
>Even Italian alcoholics tend not to drink in public.

I've never come across one. Do they exist?
--

Martin

"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:50:36 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>More evidence of sophistication in Scarborough today
>>http://www.scarborougheveningnews.co...rticleid)75762
>
> Come to think of it, the brothel is less disturbing to me than public
> drunkenness. Maybe because the latter so often ends in violence, while
> the former rarely does.

Well my experience of brothels is exactly zero, but I do seem to remember
reading in the press about violence being used against the women employed in
them.

Perhaps you are better informed than I on the management of such
establishments?

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:32:34 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:16:22 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>That is where the knife-edge balance exists. The moments preceding
>>that ugly stage of drunkenness are actually great fun.
>
>Lots of things are fun without being sophisticated.
>
>I actually don't enjoy even a little buzz, and when I'm the only one
>sober in a group, they all seem to think they're being really witty
>when they're saying the most banal things.

A bit like catching up on newsgroups when you have been away for awhile :-)
--

Martin

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:32:35 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:31:49 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>Wine is always cultured. Anyone wine-drunk is classier that a beer
>>drinker, no matter the argument.
>
>I used to know some winos who were about the least classy people I've
>ever come across.

I remember the meths drinkers in Paris in the 1960s. Not at all classy.
--

Martin

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:42:42 GMT, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:13:44 GMT, "William Black"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Who finds the idea of a drunk on the street shocking?
>>
>> Even Italian alcoholics tend not to drink in public.
>
>The last time I was in Italy there was no shortage of people drinking
>alcohol about the place.
>
>Are you saying that alcoholics in Italy never drink in public?

My experience is that if you invite people you have been working with all day
for drink after work, they don't drink more than a couple of beers. It's not
just the poor quality of Italian beer. It was the same with the same people when
we worked with them in Germany and Belgium.
--

Martin

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:45:21 GMT, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:50:36 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>More evidence of sophistication in Scarborough today
>>>http://www.scarborougheveningnews.co...rticleid)75762
>>
>> Come to think of it, the brothel is less disturbing to me than public
>> drunkenness. Maybe because the latter so often ends in violence, while
>> the former rarely does.
>
>Well my experience of brothels is exactly zero, but I do seem to remember
>reading in the press about violence being used against the women employed in
>them.
>
>Perhaps you are better informed than I on the management of such
>establishments?

Two of us were tricked into spending a night in a brothel in Antwerp by a
contractor with a sense of humour. He claimed it was an accident. It was listed
in a directory as a hotel.
There was almost violence as a result but not in the brothel. It looked like a
normal hotel other than the woman on reception was amazed that we wanted a room
each and even more amazed that we wanted the rooms for a whole night and asked
for breakfast. The rooms were charged by the hour with one rate for three hours
or more. There were nothing provided, other than the room. The room was cheaper
than the average hotel, but rather noisy after midnight. It was just across an
alley from the cathedral.
--

Martin