Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:16:16 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:54:54 -0700, me <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
>
> >
> >> An 18 year old going to the UK for the
> >>first time for a month. What priority order do you place the
> >>various options?
> >
> >If it is just for a day trip I would go to York.
>
> York is a wonderful mediaeval city with extensive city walls,
> mediaeval streets (e.g. The Shambles) and a cathedral - York Minster.
>
> As it is a bit far for day trippers from London, it's unlikely to be
> as inundated with visitors as Bath or Stratford, both of which are on
> the London Day-Trip circuit.

Actually, York is faster to get to from London than Stratford. In
summer, it's always busy, but I think it _feels_ less busy than
Stratford. I don't know what the actual figures are though for tourists.
I'm a fan of day-trips myself, though the one disadvantage for busy
places is that you don't get to see the place when it's at its least
busy- i.e. early morning. I took most of these pictures at 8am on a
Sunday last year-

<http://web.mac.com/davidhornecompose...-upon-Avon.htm
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:20:04 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:16:16 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:54:54 -0700, me <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >> An 18 year old going to the UK for the
>> >>first time for a month. What priority order do you place the
>> >>various options?
>> >
>> >If it is just for a day trip I would go to York.
>>
>> York is a wonderful mediaeval city with extensive city walls,
>> mediaeval streets (e.g. The Shambles) and a cathedral - York Minster.
>>
>> As it is a bit far for day trippers from London, it's unlikely to be
>> as inundated with visitors as Bath or Stratford, both of which are on
>> the London Day-Trip circuit.
>
>Actually, York is faster to get to from London than Stratford. In
>summer, it's always busy, but I think it _feels_ less busy than
>Stratford. I don't know what the actual figures are though for tourists.
>I'm a fan of day-trips myself, though the one disadvantage for busy
>places is that you don't get to see the place when it's at its least
>busy- i.e. early morning. I took most of these pictures at 8am on a
>Sunday last year-
>
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Keith, Bristol, UK

Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:20:04 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:16:16 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:54:54 -0700, me <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> An 18 year old going to the UK for the
> >> >>first time for a month. What priority order do you place the
> >> >>various options?
> >> >
> >> >If it is just for a day trip I would go to York.
> >>
> >> York is a wonderful mediaeval city with extensive city walls,
> >> mediaeval streets (e.g. The Shambles) and a cathedral - York Minster.
> >>
> >> As it is a bit far for day trippers from London, it's unlikely to be
> >> as inundated with visitors as Bath or Stratford, both of which are on
> >> the London Day-Trip circuit.
> >
> >Actually, York is faster to get to from London than Stratford. In
> >summer, it's always busy, but I think it _feels_ less busy than
> >Stratford. I don't know what the actual figures are though for tourists.
> >I'm a fan of day-trips myself, though the one disadvantage for busy
> >places is that you don't get to see the place when it's at its least
> >busy- i.e. early morning. I took most of these pictures at 8am on a
> >Sunday last year-
> >
> ><http://web.mac.com/davidhornecompose...-upon-Avon.htm
>
> Oops! Doesn't seem to work!

Sorry- there should be an "l" (for labrador) at the end. It was there in
my post- don't know why it didn't work!

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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

On Jun 21, 3:02 pm, Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:16:16 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
> "Prioritising" day trip venues (or tourist sights in general) is very
> difficult. There's no easy way of saying that one is "better" than the
> other.
[snip]
> Stratford is a small town with many mediaeval features - but its
> raison d'etre as a tourist venue is the fact that it was Shakespeare's
> birthplace.
>
> Stratford isn't "better" than Bath which isn't "better" than York.
> They're all worth seeing - but for different reasons.

I agree. It's why I originally stated "depending upon her
personal interests". Flip side it seemed a no brainer to me
that an 18 year old girl from the US in the UK for the first time
ought to at least go to London for a couple of days.

> Personally, I'd spend time in places which are great but easy to
> reach, rather than sitting on my ass/arse for hours on buses/trains
> just to say "Hey, I've been to XYZ."

It's part of the reason I don't like day trips to begin with. But
yes, I would personally prioritize as much on time as much
else.

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:29:42 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:

>> >Actually, York is faster to get to from London than Stratford. In
>> >summer, it's always busy, but I think it _feels_ less busy than
>> >Stratford. I don't know what the actual figures are though for tourists.
>> >I'm a fan of day-trips myself, though the one disadvantage for busy
>> >places is that you don't get to see the place when it's at its least
>> >busy- i.e. early morning. I took most of these pictures at 8am on a
>> >Sunday last year-
>> >
>> ><http://web.mac.com/davidhornecompose...-upon-Avon.htm
>>
>> Oops! Doesn't seem to work!
>
>Sorry- there should be an "l" (for labrador) at the end. It was there in
>my post- don't know why it didn't work!

Cheers!

Nice pix - I don't think I've ever been to Stratford early enough to
see it that devoid of people.


Keith, Bristol, UK

On Jun 21, 2:57 pm, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:45:11 GMT, "William Black"
> > <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> >>"me" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected] groups.com...
>
> >>> But are they "worth more"? An 18 year old going to the UK for the
> >>> first time for a month. What priority order do you place the
> >>> various options?
>
> >>An 18 year old travelling alone will probably get a lot more from a visit
> >>to
> >>the nightclubs of Leeds, Birmingham and Newcastle than trolling around
> >>museums and art galleries all day.
>
> >>Having said that, York is spectacular and doesn't need a guide book as
> >>there's something interesting and historical on just about every street
> >>corner within the walls.
>
> > Micklegate is well known as a place for drunken teenage debauchery.
>
> York had, I'm not sure if it still has, more pubs per head of the
> population than any other town in England.
>
> But it's not exactly what you'd call 'the home of a stylish night out',
> unlike either Leeds or Birmingham.


York has good nightlife. She can definitely have fun there. I saw a
lot of hen parties there.

me <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Jun 21, 3:02 pm, Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> > Personally, I'd spend time in places which are great but easy to
> > reach, rather than sitting on my ass/arse for hours on buses/trains
> > just to say "Hey, I've been to XYZ."
>
> It's part of the reason I don't like day trips to begin with. But
> yes, I would personally prioritize as much on time as much
> else.

But the train journeys can be a lot of fun, and very comfortable. I had
to go to Scotland (near Dumfries) for the day to work on Tuesday. It's a
very beautiful journey by train, for the most part.

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"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:54:54 -0700, me <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 21, 12:27 pm, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:55:57 -0700, me <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >On Jun 18, 9:52 pm, "Newby" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> Granddaughter, 18, is going to be in the UK (from the US) next month
>>> >> and is
>>> >> looking for suggestions for day, or perhaps overnight, trips (coach
>>> >> or
>>> >> train) out of Manchester or Widnes (visiting family in both places).
>>> >> Any
>>> >> suggestions would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> >> Thanks.
>>>
>>> > She should go to London, and not just a day trip. 2 or 3 minimum.
>>> >That said, she can also consider Bath and Stratford depending upon
>>> >her personal interests. Truth is, she might consider getting up
>>> >to Scotland. None of these should be day trips though, although
>>> >I'm extremely biased on the subject of day trips.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of places nearer to Manchester worth visiting than
>>> London, Bath
>>> or Stratford. York for example. The North of England isn't a cultural
>>> wilderness.
>>
>> But are they "worth more"?
>
> Worth in what way? It's certainly cheaper.
>
>> An 18 year old going to the UK for the
>>first time for a month. What priority order do you place the
>>various options?
>
> If it is just for a day trip I would go to York.

I entirely agree. It is a delightful city. Just don't go by car!

JohnT

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:58:18 +0100, "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news[email protected].. .
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:54:54 -0700, me <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jun 21, 12:27 pm, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:55:57 -0700, me <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >On Jun 18, 9:52 pm, "Newby" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >> Granddaughter, 18, is going to be in the UK (from the US) next month
>>>> >> and is
>>>> >> looking for suggestions for day, or perhaps overnight, trips (coach
>>>> >> or
>>>> >> train) out of Manchester or Widnes (visiting family in both places).
>>>> >> Any
>>>> >> suggestions would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> >> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> > She should go to London, and not just a day trip. 2 or 3 minimum.
>>>> >That said, she can also consider Bath and Stratford depending upon
>>>> >her personal interests. Truth is, she might consider getting up
>>>> >to Scotland. None of these should be day trips though, although
>>>> >I'm extremely biased on the subject of day trips.
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of places nearer to Manchester worth visiting than
>>>> London, Bath
>>>> or Stratford. York for example. The North of England isn't a cultural
>>>> wilderness.
>>>
>>> But are they "worth more"?
>>
>> Worth in what way? It's certainly cheaper.
>>
>>> An 18 year old going to the UK for the
>>>first time for a month. What priority order do you place the
>>>various options?
>>
>> If it is just for a day trip I would go to York.
>
>I entirely agree. It is a delightful city. Just don't go by car!

What's the problem going by car? There's plenty of park and rides and even large
car parks close to the centre.
--

Martin

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:02:32 +0100, Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:16:16 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:54:54 -0700, me <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>>> An 18 year old going to the UK for the
>>>first time for a month. What priority order do you place the
>>>various options?
>>
>>If it is just for a day trip I would go to York.
>
>York is a wonderful mediaeval city with extensive city walls,
>mediaeval streets (e.g. The Shambles) and a cathedral - York Minster.
>
>As it is a bit far for day trippers from London, it's unlikely to be
>as inundated with visitors as Bath or Stratford, both of which are on
>the London Day-Trip circuit.

LOL you are kidding? Do you know many Jap tourist go there and how far it is
from Japan?

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Martin

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:20:04 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Actually, York is faster to get to from London than Stratford. In
>summer, it's always busy, but I think it _feels_ less busy than
>Stratford.

-on-Avon or Stratford East?
--

Martin

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:20:04 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Actually, York is faster to get to from London than Stratford. In
> >summer, it's always busy, but I think it _feels_ less busy than
> >Stratford.
>
> -on-Avon or Stratford East?

Avon.

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"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:06:28 +0100, Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:53:01 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:45:11 GMT, "William Black" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"me" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected] egroups.com...
>>>
>>>> But are they "worth more"? An 18 year old going to the UK for the
>>>> first time for a month. What priority order do you place the
>>>> various options?
>>>>
>>>
>>>An 18 year old travelling alone will probably get a lot more from a visit to
>>>the nightclubs of Leeds, Birmingham and Newcastle than trolling around
>>>museums and art galleries all day.
>>>
>>>Having said that, York is spectacular and doesn't need a guide book as
>>>there's something interesting and historical on just about every street
>>>corner within the walls.
>>
>>Micklegate is well known as a place for drunken teenage debauchery.
>
>Ah, yes, the famous "Micklegate Run".
>
>Darren, Wayne, Sharon and Tracy wear thin and revealing costumes, and
>proceed along York's main streets, getting pissed at each pub they
>inundate.Foul language and "yoof" culture (or Chav Culture, whichever
>you prefer) prevails.
>
>Avoid central York on weekend evenings.

Micklegate is slightly off centre.
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Martin

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:39:56 +0100, Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:29:42 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> >Actually, York is faster to get to from London than Stratford. In
>>> >summer, it's always busy, but I think it _feels_ less busy than
>>> >Stratford. I don't know what the actual figures are though for tourists.
>>> >I'm a fan of day-trips myself, though the one disadvantage for busy
>>> >places is that you don't get to see the place when it's at its least
>>> >busy- i.e. early morning. I took most of these pictures at 8am on a
>>> >Sunday last year-
>>> >
>>> ><http://web.mac.com/davidhornecompose...-upon-Avon.htm
>>>
>>> Oops! Doesn't seem to work!
>>
>>Sorry- there should be an "l" (for labrador) at the end. It was there in
>>my post- don't know why it didn't work!
>
>Cheers!
>
>Nice pix - I don't think I've ever been to Stratford early enough to
>see it that devoid of people.

I went to the RS theatre once in January. The streets were deserted, something
to do with it being excedingly cold.
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Martin

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:13:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:20:04 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Actually, York is faster to get to from London than Stratford. In
>> >summer, it's always busy, but I think it _feels_ less busy than
>> >Stratford.
>>
>> -on-Avon or Stratford East?
>
>Avon.

Joan Littlewood turns in her grave.
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Martin