On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:49:14 -0700, Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jun 21, 2:57 pm, "William Black" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:45:11 GMT, "William Black"
>> > <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>"me" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>news:[email protected] groups.com...
>>
>> >>> But are they "worth more"? An 18 year old going to the UK for the
>> >>> first time for a month. What priority order do you place the
>> >>> various options?
>>
>> >>An 18 year old travelling alone will probably get a lot more from a visit
>> >>to
>> >>the nightclubs of Leeds, Birmingham and Newcastle than trolling around
>> >>museums and art galleries all day.
>>
>> >>Having said that, York is spectacular and doesn't need a guide book as
>> >>there's something interesting and historical on just about every street
>> >>corner within the walls.
>>
>> > Micklegate is well known as a place for drunken teenage debauchery.
>>
>> York had, I'm not sure if it still has, more pubs per head of the
>> population than any other town in England.
>>
>> But it's not exactly what you'd call 'the home of a stylish night out',
>> unlike either Leeds or Birmingham.
>
>
>York has good nightlife. She can definitely have fun there. I saw a
>lot of hen parties there.

They are what I referred to as "drunken teenage debauchery"
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Martin

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:57:58 GMT, "William Black"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I mean, I remember shocking an American friend by taking them for a
>Saturday night out in Scarborough.
>
>It was just too sophisticated...

Is drunken teenage debauchery sophisticated?

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"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:57:58 GMT, "William Black"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I mean, I remember shocking an American friend by taking them for a
>>Saturday night out in Scarborough.
>>
>>It was just too sophisticated...
>
> Is drunken teenage debauchery sophisticated?
>

It depends on what you're used to.

When someone in the US says 'Do you want to come out for a beer' they tend
to mean exactly that, one beer...

The idea of going out, getting drunk and getting laid, or even getting
drunk and being sick on the pavement after eating too much bad Indian food,
is alien to them.

What is considered perfectly normal behaviour on a Friday or Saturday
evening in any provincial town in the UK will get you shot dead in Texas. A
young lady wearing what is considered acceptable on Broad Street in
Birmingham stands a good chance of being accosted as a prostitute in much of
the USA.

In the USA teenage public debauchery seems to be unavailable to teenagers,
for a start they can't usually legally get a drink until they're 21, and
the laws are enforced with a rigour I find laughable, with people in their
mid twenties being challenged for ID and police forces being horribly
repressive about booze in general. Also remember that in some states they
can't get a drink to 'consume on the premises', as they're 'dry'.

In the USA booze is often considered 'evil'.

Of course this doesn't stop kids in the US drinking. It just drives it
underground.

This is why the USA has a teenage alcoholism problem far worse than that of
the UK...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Following up to Keith Anderson <[email protected]> :

>>Micklegate is well known as a place for drunken teenage debauchery.
>
>Ah, yes, the famous "Micklegate Run".

Like the Mumbles Mile in Swansea, except they're university students. As
far as I can remember, which was then about 4 pints ....
--
Tim C.

Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :

>>Ah, yes, the famous "Micklegate Run".
>>
>>Darren, Wayne, Sharon and Tracy wear thin and revealing costumes, and
>>proceed along York's main streets, getting pissed at each pub they
>>inundate.Foul language and "yoof" culture (or Chav Culture, whichever
>>you prefer) prevails.
>>
>>Avoid central York on weekend evenings.
>
>Micklegate is slightly off centre.

It's because the rooms keep spinning?
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Tim C.

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:25:49 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:

>Following up to Keith Anderson <[email protected]> :
>
>>>Micklegate is well known as a place for drunken teenage debauchery.
>>
>>Ah, yes, the famous "Micklegate Run".
>
>Like the Mumbles Mile in Swansea, except they're university students. As
>far as I can remember, which was then about 4 pints ....

Nowadays they drink 4 pints when they are thirsty. My son has stories about
quantities he and his friends consumed that make thirsty blast furnace workers
sound like wimps. His Italian friend, who was at St Andrews, managed to
permanently damage his liver in his first term.
--

Martin

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:26:59 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:

>Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
>
>>>Ah, yes, the famous "Micklegate Run".
>>>
>>>Darren, Wayne, Sharon and Tracy wear thin and revealing costumes, and
>>>proceed along York's main streets, getting pissed at each pub they
>>>inundate.Foul language and "yoof" culture (or Chav Culture, whichever
>>>you prefer) prevails.
>>>
>>>Avoid central York on weekend evenings.
>>
>>Micklegate is slightly off centre.
>
>It's because the rooms keep spinning?

LOL whirling pit inducing eccentricity?
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Martin

On Jun 22, 5:50 am, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:
[snip]
> This is why the USA has a teenage alcoholism problem far worse than that of
> the UK...


Hasn't the UK just announced that they have a binge drinking
problem?

http://www.24dash.com/health/21427.htm

In Scotland, tough restrictions on promotions are already coming into
force, with pub happy hours to be banned from August 2009.

The British Medical Association has called for alcohol advertising to
be banned because of rising levels of binge drinking.

Other suggestions likely to form part of the document include
increases to health warnings, changes to labelling and moves to tackle
drink-related violence.

It is also expected to pledge a new wave of tough advertising
campaigns, based on the existing "Know Your Limits" advertising which
uses shock tactics to deliver messages about the dangers of drink.
<end excerpt>

Seems you're about a decade behind the US, a bit like the whole
smoking ban thing.

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:50:44 GMT, "William Black"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>It depends on what you're used to.
>
>When someone in the US says 'Do you want to come out for a beer' they tend
>to mean exactly that, one beer...
>
>The idea of going out, getting drunk and getting laid, or even getting
>drunk and being sick on the pavement after eating too much bad Indian food,
>is alien to them.

I consider it a very odd sense of aesthetics that finds barfing on the
sidewalk sophisticated.

>What is considered perfectly normal behaviour on a Friday or Saturday
>evening in any provincial town in the UK will get you shot dead in Texas.

Believe me, that kind of stuff goes on at every university in the US,
even in, maybe especially in, Texas. Bush's daughters are masters of
teenage drunken debauchery. I don't consider them sophisticated.

>This is why the USA has a teenage alcoholism problem far worse than that of
>the UK...

Do you have statistics? I thought I remembered reading, just recently,
that the UK had one of the world's highest rates of teenage
alcoholism.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:33:56 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>Nowadays they drink 4 pints when they are thirsty. My son has stories about
>quantities he and his friends consumed that make thirsty blast furnace workers
>sound like wimps. His Italian friend, who was at St Andrews, managed to
>permanently damage his liver in his first term.

That's what sophistication leads to.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:40:06 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:33:56 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Nowadays they drink 4 pints when they are thirsty. My son has stories about
>>quantities he and his friends consumed that make thirsty blast furnace workers
>>sound like wimps. His Italian friend, who was at St Andrews, managed to
>>permanently damage his liver in his first term.
>
>That's what sophistication leads to.

You'll end up with your tongue permanently stuck in your cheek :-)
--

Martin

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:33:56 +0200,
Martin <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:25:49 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Following up to Keith Anderson <[email protected]> :
>>
>>>>Micklegate is well known as a place for drunken teenage debauchery.
>>>
>>>Ah, yes, the famous "Micklegate Run".
>>
>>Like the Mumbles Mile in Swansea, except they're university students. As
>>far as I can remember, which was then about 4 pints ....
>
>Nowadays they drink 4 pints when they are thirsty. My son has stories about
>quantities he and his friends consumed that make thirsty blast furnace workers
>sound like wimps. His Italian friend, who was at St Andrews, managed to
>permanently damage his liver in his first term.

No great surprise. Italians are pathetic drinkers.

I am asked occasionally why anglos drink so much. My response is that
Germanics, Scandinavians, Slavs plus nearly everyone else in Europe
have a serious drinking culture, so why don't the Italians and Greeks?
--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:24:40 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>I am asked occasionally why anglos drink so much. My response is that
>Germanics, Scandinavians, Slavs plus nearly everyone else in Europe
>have a serious drinking culture, so why don't the Italians and Greeks?

Nor any other Mediterranean culture. I once read a hypothesis that it
was because alcohol arrived far later to northern European cultures.
The theory was that people who were exposed to alcohol in the very
early agricultural age in southern Europe and the near east would not
have survived to pass on their genes if they had problems with
alcohol. Since alcohol arrived later in northern Europe, natural
selection didn't have time to weed out the lushes before modern
society began to allow people to survive and reproduce no matter how
unfit they are.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Jun 22, 1:24 pm, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> Make credence recognised that on Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:33:56 +0200,
> Martin <[email protected]> has scripted:
> >Nowadays they drink 4 pints when they are thirsty. My son has stories about
> >quantities he and his friends consumed that make thirsty blast furnace workers
> >sound like wimps. His Italian friend, who was at St Andrews, managed to
> >permanently damage his liver in his first term.


I went to college in the US and knew multiple people who got so drunk
they had to go to detox at the local hospital. I knew one guy who had
a .35 blood alcohol content and nearly died.

> No great surprise. Italians are pathetic drinkers.
>
> I am asked occasionally why anglos drink so much. My response is that
> Germanics, Scandinavians, Slavs plus nearly everyone else in Europe
> have a serious drinking culture, so why don't the Italians and Greeks?


I think it's a North - South divide. Mediterranean countries
certainly have nightlife, but it is more about stylish clubs or wine
bars than about getting really pissed on cheap beer or vodka.

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:24:40 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Make credence recognised that on Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:33:56 +0200,
>Martin <[email protected]> has scripted:
>
>>On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:25:49 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Following up to Keith Anderson <[email protected]> :
>>>
>>>>>Micklegate is well known as a place for drunken teenage debauchery.
>>>>
>>>>Ah, yes, the famous "Micklegate Run".
>>>
>>>Like the Mumbles Mile in Swansea, except they're university students. As
>>>far as I can remember, which was then about 4 pints ....
>>
>>Nowadays they drink 4 pints when they are thirsty. My son has stories about
>>quantities he and his friends consumed that make thirsty blast furnace workers
>>sound like wimps. His Italian friend, who was at St Andrews, managed to
>>permanently damage his liver in his first term.
>
>No great surprise. Italians are pathetic drinkers.

Italy is hardly full of 19 year olds with alcohol damaged livers.

There is nothing pathetic in terms of quantity drunk by Flavio.
I certainly couldn't have kept up with him.

Flavio went to the British School in NL and has acquired British drinking
habits.

>
>I am asked occasionally why anglos drink so much. My response is that
>Germanics, Scandinavians, Slavs plus nearly everyone else in Europe
>have a serious drinking culture,

Most don't. Most sit at home watching the TV. Not everybody thinks a good night
out involves a curry and a Technicolor yawn on the pavement. Most grow out of
heavy drinking as they get older.

>so why don't the Italians and Greeks?

Because they aren't beer drinkers? Older French get through a substantial amount
of wine, but not the younger generations.
--

Martin