On Jun 23, 11:45 am, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> news:[email protected]...
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> > On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:50:36 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
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> >>More evidence of sophistication in Scarborough today
> >>http://www.scarborougheveningnews.co...rticleid)75762
>
> > Come to think of it, the brothel is less disturbing to me than public
> > drunkenness. Maybe because the latter so often ends in violence, while
> > the former rarely does.
>
> Well my experience of brothels is exactly zero, but I do seem to remember
> reading in the press about violence being used against the women employed in
> them.
>
> Perhaps you are better informed than I on the management of such
> establishments?


Many of the women in Europe's sex trade are women trafficked in from
Eastern Europe or the Third World - traffickers recruit women in
countries like Ukraine to come to Western Europe for what the
traffickers promise will be legitimate jobs, but when the women get to
Western Europe the traffickers steal their passports, force them into
prostitution, and often threaten to harm them or their families back
home if they try to escape. Even among the Western European women in
the sex trade, a large fraction of them have either a drug addiction
or a history of being sexual abused as children, or both.

Make credence recognised that on Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:32:34 +0200, B
Vaughan<[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:16:22 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>That is where the knife-edge balance exists. The moments preceding
>>that ugly stage of drunkenness are actually great fun.
>
>Lots of things are fun without being sophisticated.
>
>I actually don't enjoy even a little buzz, and when I'm the only one
>sober in a group, they all seem to think they're being really witty
>when they're saying the most banal things.

Are they witty at other times?
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Make credence recognised that on Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:32:35 +0200, B
Vaughan<[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:31:49 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>Wine is always cultured. Anyone wine-drunk is classier that a beer
>>drinker, no matter the argument.
>
>I used to know some winos who were about the least classy people I've
>ever come across.

A beer drinker is much the same, but needs to pee more.
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"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> It's odd that the A64 was never turned into a motorway or at least made
> dual
> carriageway for the whole of it's length.

Politics.

That part of North Yorkshire, and Scarborough, was very Tory, so 'old
Labour' never built it.

The Tories won't build it because all the grouse moors would fill up with
ghastly people wearing flouresent waterproof clothes.

Then Labour got in again and Scarborough got a Labour MP, who seems to be
the most spineless Labour MP ever (which is saying something with the first
Blair government), so it didn't get built, so they elected another Tory,
who has a huge gob and just upsets people, so it still won't get built...

I'm afraid that what we need a dozen dead children on the roadside one week
when there's no other news...

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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Make credence recognised that on Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:42:42 GMT,
"William Black" <[email protected]> has scripted:

>
>"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:13:44 GMT, "William Black"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Who finds the idea of a drunk on the street shocking?
>>
>> Even Italian alcoholics tend not to drink in public.
>
>The last time I was in Italy there was no shortage of people drinking
>alcohol about the place.
>
>Are you saying that alcoholics in Italy never drink in public?

I think she's saying that you very rarely see someone drunk in public.
Perhaps alcoholics exist, but I've never met one here.

Certainly excessive drinking a lot in public is frowned upon, but that
didn't stop me from cracking a beer on the beach this afternoon.
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"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:13:44 GMT, "William Black"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Who finds the idea of a drunk on the street shocking?
>>
>> Even Italian alcoholics tend not to drink in public.
>
> The last time I was in Italy there was no shortage of people drinking
> alcohol about the place.
>
> Are you saying that alcoholics in Italy never drink in public?
>

I saw lots of drinking in Italy. Mind you, I was going out looking for it.

Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore

me <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
> Seems you're about a decade behind the US, a bit like the whole
> smoking ban thing.

Not really. As of July 1, the whole of the UK will have a ban on smoking
in 'substantially enclosed' public places. The US is more of a patchwork
of smoking bans, and complete bans in many states won't happen any time
soon, if at all.

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(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:21:13 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Are they witty at other times?

My first husband could be really witty when he was sober, but he
mistakenly thought that he was even wittier drunk.
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:45:21 GMT, "William Black"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Perhaps you are better informed than I on the management of such
>establishments?

Let's just say that I'm assuming informed consent on the part of the
employees.
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:42:42 GMT, "William Black"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:13:44 GMT, "William Black"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Who finds the idea of a drunk on the street shocking?
>>
>> Even Italian alcoholics tend not to drink in public.
>
>The last time I was in Italy there was no shortage of people drinking
>alcohol about the place.
>
>Are you saying that alcoholics in Italy never drink in public?

If you read what I said, you would see that I didn't say that. There
is no problem with drinking at a bar, or seated outside a bar, but you
rarely see people hanging out on the street drinking, and very rarely
see groups of drunk Italians walking around.

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Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:28:18 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>I think she's saying that you very rarely see someone drunk in public.
>Perhaps alcoholics exist, but I've never met one here.
>
I know several Italian alcoholics, but they are all closet drunks. One
makes a great show of never drinking anything stronger than wine, and
always mixing it with water. However, he makes many daily trips to the
"cantina" under his house to count the jars of canned tomatoes his
wife puts up.
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:14:30 -0700, Iceman <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Many of the women in Europe's sex trade are women trafficked in from
>Eastern Europe or the Third World - traffickers recruit women in
>countries like Ukraine to come to Western Europe for what the
>traffickers promise will be legitimate jobs, but when the women get to
>Western Europe the traffickers steal their passports, force them into
>prostitution, and often threaten to harm them or their families back
>home if they try to escape. Even among the Western European women in
>the sex trade, a large fraction of them have either a drug addiction
>or a history of being sexual abused as children, or both.

This is true, but there are also apparently women working in the sex
trade voluntarily. I recently read an article about Nigerian women in
the sex trade. It seemed as though it was considered by them as a
perfectly legitimate way to improve the economic status of their
families back home.

There was also a case in the news here in Italy recently where an East
European prostitute killed a young woman (perhaps unintentionally)
with an umbrella in the Rome metro. In the news stories about the
incident, it seemed as though she hadn't been pressured into the
trade. Actually, her mother lived in Italy (not far from where I
live).
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Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:44:42 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:32:34 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:13:44 GMT, "William Black"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Who finds the idea of a drunk on the street shocking?
>>
>>Even Italian alcoholics tend not to drink in public.
>
>I've never come across one. Do they exist?

Oh, yes. See my other post. All of the alcoholics I know are over 60
though; maybe they arrived there gradually.

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Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:45:21 GMT, "William Black"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Perhaps you are better informed than I on the management of such
>>establishments?
>
> Let's just say that I'm assuming informed consent on the part of the
> employees.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4770206.stm

Implies that this is not the case.

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William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Make credence recognised that on Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:36:29 +0200, B
Vaughan<[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:21:13 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>Are they witty at other times?
>
>My first husband could be really witty when he was sober, but he
>mistakenly thought that he was even wittier drunk.

The booze can completely mess up your timing, plus discretion.
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