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Maria D.C.

From the tone and content of your posts, I'm rather pleased you might have lost your money! It couldn't have happened to a nicer person. But I do hope others in slmilar situations to yours get their money back.

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Come on now, that's not really necessary.

Please continue the discussion minus any personal attacks and jabs.

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Hi,
I to am in the middle of buying property on phase 2 but my experience with duja (luis Constantino) has been simply perfect, after going to cabanas for the last 5 years and doing loads of research i have decided to buy.
The difference with me and so many of the people on this site is i went straight to the man himself and didn't involve any third party, these people can't do enough for me and i simply have no complaints.

My emails do not get ignored, my phone calls get answered and if anything luis and his staff have been very patient with me considering i live in london, i think the biggest problem here was people trying to make a quick profit with the boom of the euro and when things didn't quite go to plan they looked for someone to blame, instead of looking at the third party who they went to in the first place (dodgy estate agents).
We are in the middle of a recession people and we have been since late 2007simple lesson here don't buy if you can't afford to, nothing wrong with duja or cabanas or the portuguese system.

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Hear hear Roberto - far too much talk of "all I planned to do was "flip it"...." Well sorry folks, that's nothing but investment banker style nonsense...."the value of your investment can go down as well as up" is what they say.... :-)

B

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I never planned to 'flip' anything, i planned to purchase a home in which i could spend my 'twilight' years (retirement). i was pursuaded by a company who advertised Sir Geoff Hurst, and Andrew Flintoff as their 'ambassadors' stating that they had purchased properties on the complex where i stumped up a considerable deposit and was promised occupation in 2007. I thought i had put a deposit down to secure a property, in reality my deposit was termed as a 'contractual investment' meaning i had a monitary share in a company which is now worthless as it's assets have mysteriously vanished along with millions of euros from other 'contractual investers' who all thought they had placed deposits on apartments. The idea of a forum is to share information (good or bad) which if bad could warn potential victims to steer clear of prospective scams or con-merchants, and if good to praise and endorse potentialy good investment prospects. Due to the anononimity of forum posters it is quite difficult to differenciate between a genuine poster and one who masquerades as a happy punter advocating that all is well with a particular development, when the truth is that it is'nt and the developer/agents are simply playing for time so that they can 'scarper' without trace or repercussion, as has been the case with the development i thought i would eventualy live in. Some members of this forum are delighted that i have lost my life savings, and some members stated they didn't wish to read postings of this nature. How sad those people must be, they would probobly stand and laugh if they saw an elerly infirm lady being mugged by a gang of 'hoodies' ....testiment to the world we now live in. Maria.

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First of all my comments were not aimed specifically at you maria, they were aimed at disgruntled Individuals who seem to think that because of there own greed and lack of common sense they have a right to blame a construction company (Duja).

The fact of the matter is that in portugal the same rules apply, like i said i am in the middle of buying a property there and if all paper work is not up to scratch then my bank does not hand over my money to anyone and i didn't need a solicitor to advise me on that.

My point was that my dealings with Duja (Luis constantino and staff) have been very pleasant

As for me being someone who masquerades as a happy punter, well i never was into fancy dress and up until august 2010 i had never heard of duja or Luis constantino.

My name is real and i am actually well known in cabanas for being quite a pleasent bloke,i speak fluent portuguese and don't get easilly fobbed off by get rich quick schemes even if an ex england footballer and a drunk cricketer are ambassadors.

No i am not delighted at you losing your life savings and no i would not laugh if i saw an old lady getting mugged by a gang of hoodies.

You see i live in the real world not on an ivory tower.

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And yet you decided that people here were their own worst enemies because they were trying to get rich quick? :blink:

Maybe .... just maybe they went to one of the much recommended agents in the UK in order to secure a home for their retirement :)

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Sorry i should go to specsavers lets see what maria wrote:

i was pursuaded by a company who advertised Sir Geoff Hurst, and Andrew Flintoff as their 'ambassadors' stating that they had purchased properties on the complex where i stumped up a considerable deposit and was promised occupation in 2007. I thought i had put a deposit down to secure a property

Secure a property for your future but do it the right way

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So you are saying that you shouldn't use an estate agent or agent to buy a property? Since when has that been the wrong way? :)

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No I didn't say that, estate agents in portugal have to be all licensed but will have a huge fee on top of the asking price to cover work carried out by them if you want to use one then fine but it's not neceserry and you will save yourself alot of money

In england
Many estate agents are registered with the National Association of Estate Agents or the Property Ombudsman but not all hence they can say whoever they like are ambassadors for them.

The lesson to be learned is do not buy anything from anyone that is not already completed and do not hand any money over to them without seeing a bona-fide escritura with a reputable notary present even if it's only a deposit.:blink:

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You see i live in the real world not on an ivory tower.[/QUOTE]

Mr Roberto, i do not, nor have i ever, lived on an ivory tower. I lost my first fiance in 1944, he died fighting to keep england a free country. Whilst he was away in north africa i walked a daily 3mile return journey to spend a 12hour day making bullets for the british armed forces at the chorley royal ordanance factory. I married my second fiance in 1961 and we both worked until 6years ago with the dream of spending the rest of our lives in the warmth of the sun.We attended numerous exhibitions to find the right place and property to retire to. The agent we dealt with seamed to be bona-fide and had impressive credentials, several national newspapers featured stories on how Your Place Abroad had secured homes on their exclusive developments for Andrew Flintoff, Lee Westwood, and Wayne Rooney, they claimed they had a partnership with the P.G.A. so we trusted them. The moderaters of this forum will not allow me to tell you what the reality of dealing with Y.P.A actualy is or was, but i, Wayne Rooney, Sir Geoff Hurst, and another several hundred people have all lost money and been subject to a barrage of untruth's and excuses as to where our money has gone. I will never now own a dream home in the sun and i have lost my life savings, but the company is STILL TRADING AND STILL TAKING OTHER PEOPLES MONEY.They are doing it because they registered their company in numerous different names ie; Your Place Abroad London Ltd, Your place Abroad Egypt Ltd,Your Place Abroad Turkey Ltd. ect ect...all of which were liquidated in 2008 owing millions of euros, Your Place Abroad LTD is still trading from their Bramhall Cheshire office and will continue to do so until someone has the integrity to expose them. Yes i agree that no-one should purchase anything that is not built and has not got a bona-fide deed, but if that were reality developers would get nothing built as they rely on deposits and stage payments to bring their complex's to completion. Those who comply with the law usualy deliver, the one's to steer clear of are the one's who underhandedly call their deposits CONTRACTUAL INVESTMENTS. Yes i should have gone to specsavers to read the 'small print' but this company had their own in-house lawyers who supposedly were there to advise....
Yes i wish i was as worldly and wise as you are but i am an elderly woman who had a dream that through no fault of my own has turned into a nightmare. Maria.

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I have watched the Cabanas scandal over the years and I thought when I read Robertos reply that he was someone posting to try to pretend that the whole Cabanas flats things wasn't a scam.

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Yep.

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Maria i would just like to offer an apology to you and anyone who has lost money thru using rogue traders my comments on this forum were not to insult or offend anyone.

For the last 3 months i have gone thru all the threads on this forum and i find the majority of comments to be genuine and some not so genuine hence my comment of some people trying to make a quick profit, but that was not directed at you specifically.

This forum is to discuss both good and bad experiences and hopefully help others who are looking to buy property in portugal.

The only point i made was that my dealings with Duja (Luis Constantino and staff) have been pleasent and that the Royal Cabanas Golf Apartments are not a scam if persued in the correct manner.:thumbsup:

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You'll find that Luis Constantino and Duja are very helpful until you have completed your property purchase and find some 'snagging problems' - which will remain unsolved because Duja are in 'financial problems' and do not have money to remedy these. Next time you're in Cabanas please get in touch and we'll be happy to show you - by the way problems are still appearing after completing 2 years ago - beware.