Bellasmum

So your point is ?

Lardyl my Brit friend and husband say you are just the kind of Brits they came here to get away from

I will pass the backlash you post aimed at me on to them.

Sir Last Word Ladyl

love30stm

agree with you.and did you notice you get slagged off for having dare put your point of view across

keeps people entertained I suppose

love30stm

southerner

I've suffered it the other way around - no London experience and struggled to get that first role. I persisted, got on the local job ladder and thrived from that point forward. Invariably thats what happens to UK immgrants to NZ. Those who are here 2-3 years later are often in better positions than they were when they left the UK (not necessarily paid more mind you).

Lookin2Oz

So I take it you are a Kiwi then ?

Tell me - what was your first job in London ? are we talking doing your OE or were you there with a family & children going to stay permanently in the UK ?

If we are talking your back-packing days in London I am afraid there is an immense difference from getting a job behind a bar or working in Tesco compared to what I would imagine the majority of potential immigrants looking on this forum would be some form of skilled workers that NZ has a shortage of and looking to re-locate their whole life over to New Zealand – including their money !!!!!!!!!


From what I understand Kiwis get a two year work permit for the UK and most of them fly straight into London, get a backpackers deal and go the Aussie bars in Earls Court. After making some serious currency in London fly off to Greece for the season and end up later that year chilling in Bali living on peanuts and smoking dope for four months and then head back to London to top-up their pounds in their bank. I don’t think the big OE in many cases the same as re-loacting to New Zealand.

On the other hand we have met MANY skilled workers that have move to New Zealand that end up not being employed in their profession and holding down two – three jobs usually at backpacker skills level i.e. supermarket, toilet cleaning etc. So yes, if they get a job in their profession where they are trained & skilled in two – three years it could be seen as an improvement.

MY QUESTION IS : -

COMPARED TO WHAT ?

So you saying you did an OE thing as a Kiwi in London and worked in London is VERY vague.

Having spent nearly four years in NZ I certainly see the whole marketing of NZ as misleading. To be honest– it annoys me and it is about time something was actually done about it to clarify the situation.

Of course me posting on the NZ forum with a forum like mine is not one that I imagined getting a warm welcome here in the NZ section and of course typifies that the overall attitude in NZ - - problems that a VERY REAL to immigrants here get brushed aside with a label of “moaning Pom” or whatever.

That line is overused, overplayed and needs to be addressed.

I for one am really surprised that a few folk that have had really rough deals in New Zealand have not set-up websites in the UK to warn people of some of the realities that they CAN expect here.

It s about time somebody offered a balanced view and exposed some of the harsh truths that a lot of folk don’t like being spoken as can be seen on this forum

lardyl

yup, but when that happens throughout the system to people from whatever country for whatever reason then it seems to stink a little.
I'd say the UK is more of a meritocracy than NZ. Not just my experience, just deal with the tradies - sparkies, plumbers, etc,etc - even those having to check their work, eg I guy I met on a plane who checks NZ gas fitting standards....he was so critical of the system here it was untrue, and so worried that the powers that be just stifle good tradesmen from other countries before they even set foot here.
Its a closed shop...........or at least too much of one.......

lardyl

pity you can't spot a troll eh?

makes you the best judge of character eh?

/dons helmet as can hear the hackles rise.....from 250km...../

lardyl

point is what the OP said == and you raised back at him and then asked him what he meant.....my post was meant to help you understand what he posted.......but of course you don't need my help on anything do you Aunty....??

As others have said by PM to me and in Karma for these posts picking up on *your* arrogance, you go on about how you have lived everywhere and done everything and by implication how that makes your opinion on all matters from the state of South Auckland to the condition of NZ higher education right....

This includes living in Oz, and then you can't get a reference to the state of NZ economy that several Aussies that I have met have used to beat Kiwis over the head.........come on.........stop just diverting and making it personal...

...or get the courage up to send that big copper round to deal with me......

....don't worry though as I know plenty of his detective/sergeant/inspector (serving and retired) mates and they come to me for advice........cause they trust my facts and opinions.......

sr71

Sorry, but I doubt that is the experience of most Kiwis in London. It has to be one of the easiest places to get a job whether skilled or unskilled. There is absolutely no negative attitude at all towards Antipodeans in most places. In fact I would even go as far to say in many places you would stand a better chance of getting a job than many English people, especially those with very broad Northern accents, who are probably discriminated against more.

southerner

I agree that some areas/trades would seem to have an arrogant, closed shop approach, but trying to infer that its systemic across all of NZ does seem a bit wide of the mark. For example, the number of foreign CEOs of NZ companies/organisations seems quite high in my opinion (if that can be used as one proxy for talented people getting on in their careers).

southerner

That wasn't what I meant - it was my lack of experience in the type of organisations and specialised roles that were available at that time. Also got told by one agent I was overqualified. Like I said I set my sights a bit lower and the rest is history.

Jokerman

100% agree. Kiwis in the UK don't have to put up with half the shite the typical brit does who has "no kiwi experience'.

Lookin2Oz

Do you have statistics for that or is that just your opinion ?

I take it that since I responded to your quoting my post # 151

I responded in # 170 which you seem to now ignore

I have no doubt that you are aware that it is rude to strike up a conversation and then not respond when you are spoken to ?

Or is that just a shining example of my lacking of Kiwi experience

Or

Is it perhaps your Kiwi defence mechanism to just switch off when you are asked to explain your UK experience

You seem so keen to offer and use your UK Overseas Experience ( OE) as a comparison to people that may be on this forum considering moving their whole life to New Zealand compared with a back-packing trip to London

You also use many statistical quotes with no reference to where you get these figures from such as this reference to non-Kiwi CEOs in NZ companies

Lookin2Oz

Where did you explain this ? I have asked you what profession or skilled trade you were experienced in while in London or were you the usual backpacker barman, dishwasher, cleaner , Burger King staff ?

I am really interested to hear what your skills were and how you were over qualified for the role / s you were applying for.

I am also intrigued by your high activity as a Kiwi on a British ex-pats forum ?

Bellasmum

Bet it makes you feel good giving all that advice out. Oh and having all those Seniors Cops as buddies If only you knew

Enjoy your labour day