Syrian refugee crisis.
Nov 27th 2015 | 7:25 am
#662
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Whilst in German this article raises soon very important (and non partisan points) about the power of the interpreters. Basically in Germany because of the numbers of Asylum seekers you've got un-sworn low paid individuals sitting at a table translating stories for German government officials with them being the only one at the table that knows what is being said. What an opportunity for corruption, extortion or miscarriages of justice.
Flüchtlinge: Die gefährliche Macht der Dolmetscher - DIE WELT
Flüchtlinge: Die gefährliche Macht der Dolmetscher - DIE WELT
Die Welt should know better than that. Translators at legal proceedings in Germany are in fact rigorously regulated.
Nov 27th 2015 | 7:30 am
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
The investment Bank of Berlin maintains its forecast of 2.2% growth for the full year. The number of asylum seekers acts as a driver.
Bruttoinlandsprodukt: Berlins Wirtschaft wächst kräftig - Wirtschaft - Tagesspiegel
Nov 27th 2015 | 7:35 am
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Did you even read the article before jumping to conclusions? A rough translation of one part
"refugees often only find that their information has been translated incorrectly when they look at the rejection of Asylum letter with an interpreter and a lawyer" It then goes on to mention that the refugees often can't afford to pay for a lawyer. Quotes from Bernd Mesovic manager at Pro Asyl (human rights organisation).
"refugees often only find that their information has been translated incorrectly when they look at the rejection of Asylum letter with an interpreter and a lawyer" It then goes on to mention that the refugees often can't afford to pay for a lawyer. Quotes from Bernd Mesovic manager at Pro Asyl (human rights organisation).
Nov 27th 2015 | 7:40 am
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Berlin's economy is growing vigorously
The investment Bank of Berlin maintains its forecast of 2.2% growth for the full year. The number of asylum seekers acts as a driver.
Bruttoinlandsprodukt: Berlins Wirtschaft wächst kräftig - Wirtschaft - Tagesspiegel
The investment Bank of Berlin maintains its forecast of 2.2% growth for the full year. The number of asylum seekers acts as a driver.
Bruttoinlandsprodukt: Berlins Wirtschaft wächst kräftig - Wirtschaft - Tagesspiegel
What exactly is your problem here?
Nov 27th 2015 | 7:44 am
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
I thought the main point of the article was that the translations weren't being regulated and done to the usual/required high standards?
Nov 27th 2015 | 7:47 am
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Shard asked me to post something positive rather than just pointing out problems all the time. As he asked nicely I thought I would, that's all :-)
Nov 27th 2015 | 7:51 am
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
I repeat, what's your problem?
Nov 27th 2015 | 7:53 am
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Nov 27th 2015 | 8:47 am
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
No, it just got french fries re"christened" Freedom Fries.
Now let's think about that. France quite correctly refused to get involved in GWB and Tony's completely irrational nonsense in 2003. Complete with Colin Powell's self embarrassing lies to the UN about his government's proof that Iraq had developed WMD (remember those?).
To Canada's (Chretien's) credit, we also refused to be involved.
Flash forward a decade or so and we have chaos in Iraq, instability throughout the Middle East and a huge problem with radical Islamists sponsored by Saudi Arabia and the Emirates.
Meanwhile in Syria, Assad starts a civil war just for the hell of it and Call-me-Dave figures it would be cool to bomb anti-Assad forces. Don't ask me why.
2 years later the Magnificent Dave, decides it'd be cool to bomb somebody else in Syria, just for the spectacle of it all. To get rid of Assad? No, To get rid of the nasties that the first bit started.
And here we go round and round, round and round, round and round.
Effing cretins.
Now let's think about that. France quite correctly refused to get involved in GWB and Tony's completely irrational nonsense in 2003. Complete with Colin Powell's self embarrassing lies to the UN about his government's proof that Iraq had developed WMD (remember those?).
To Canada's (Chretien's) credit, we also refused to be involved.
Flash forward a decade or so and we have chaos in Iraq, instability throughout the Middle East and a huge problem with radical Islamists sponsored by Saudi Arabia and the Emirates.
Meanwhile in Syria, Assad starts a civil war just for the hell of it and Call-me-Dave figures it would be cool to bomb anti-Assad forces. Don't ask me why.
2 years later the Magnificent Dave, decides it'd be cool to bomb somebody else in Syria, just for the spectacle of it all. To get rid of Assad? No, To get rid of the nasties that the first bit started.
And here we go round and round, round and round, round and round.
Effing cretins.
Nov 27th 2015 | 8:52 am
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
As an immigrant myself I'm anti chaos not anti immigrant. Social order/Civic society is starting to fall apart at the edges in parts of Europe which I don't think is a good thing. Who would have thought the Swedes would start burning down refugee hostels and closing their borders? The fact that I don't think that is a good development doesn't make me xenophobic whatever you may think. Chaos just breeds extremism.
Nov 27th 2015 | 8:52 am
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
A rough translation of one part of the article.
"refugees often only find that their information has been translated incorrectly when they look at the rejection of Asylum letter with an interpreter and a lawyer" It then goes on to mention that the refugees often can't afford to pay for a lawyer. Quotes from Bernd Mesovic manager at Pro Asyl (human rights organisation).
"refugees often only find that their information has been translated incorrectly when they look at the rejection of Asylum letter with an interpreter and a lawyer" It then goes on to mention that the refugees often can't afford to pay for a lawyer. Quotes from Bernd Mesovic manager at Pro Asyl (human rights organisation).
The more I read the piece in die Welt, the more I wonder what the point of it is? If it had been about any other subject than refugees, it would've been spiked at first draft. Imagine if it really had been a load of old cobblers:
The Dangerous Power of Shoemakers
The head of the Shoemakers' Union, Mr Fred Hobnail, today called for greater regulation of shoemakers and cobblers. "There's a real danger that some people may end up with shoes that are either too big, or possibly too small," he said. "Cobblers who are not members of my Union face no sanctions for mis-labelling a size 3 as a size 4."
"We really must insist that everybody offering shoemaking services is properly trained and certified," added Harrison Aiglet, principal of the Cobblers Academy, a privately-funded training college. "These untrained footwear engineers might give somebody a blister, or worse, allow somebody to buy a pair of sandals when they know full well they'll be worn with socks."
The head of the Shoemakers' Union, Mr Fred Hobnail, today called for greater regulation of shoemakers and cobblers. "There's a real danger that some people may end up with shoes that are either too big, or possibly too small," he said. "Cobblers who are not members of my Union face no sanctions for mis-labelling a size 3 as a size 4."
"We really must insist that everybody offering shoemaking services is properly trained and certified," added Harrison Aiglet, principal of the Cobblers Academy, a privately-funded training college. "These untrained footwear engineers might give somebody a blister, or worse, allow somebody to buy a pair of sandals when they know full well they'll be worn with socks."
Nov 27th 2015 | 9:04 am
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Nov 27th 2015 | 9:08 am
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Nov 27th 2015 | 9:09 am
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
As an immigrant myself I'm anti chaos not anti immigrant. Social order/Civic society is starting to fall apart at the edges in parts of Europe which I don't think is a good thing. Who would have thought the Swedes would start burning down refugee hostels and closing their borders? The fact that I don't think that is a good development doesn't make me xenophobic whatever you may think. Chaos just breeds extremism.
