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Old Sep 28th 2019 | 1:03 am
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Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd
A trade deal....the EU or what ever it becomes will always need to trade with one and other... thats all the EU ever should have been, as I said keep it simple.
The idea that things can be simple is a leaver fantasy "a clean break" is an expression they use for leaving. It can't be. If you want easy trade then you need not to have borders and you need common standards for everything, people can come and go freely so you need common documentation for them. Administrative convergence is inevitable but that doesn't mean cultural convergence; you still can't sell jellied eels or Marmite in Greece or Germany because, culturally, people are conditioned against loving these things.
 
Old Sep 28th 2019 | 1:13 am
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Doesn't Jennifer Arcurio remind you of Stormy Daniels?

 
Old Sep 28th 2019 | 1:14 am
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Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd
... thats all the EU ever should have been, as I said keep it simple.
You really need to understand European history.
 
Old Sep 28th 2019 | 1:15 am
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Originally Posted by dbd33
The idea that things can be simple is a leaver fantasy "a clean break" is an expression they use for leaving. It can't be. If you want easy trade then you need not to have borders and you need common standards for everything, people can come and go freely so you need common documentation for them. Administrative convergence is inevitable but that doesn't mean cultural convergence; you still can't sell jellied eels or Marmite in Greece or Germany because, culturally, people are conditioned against loving these things.
Even in the UK Marmite is a bit marmite.
 
Old Sep 28th 2019 | 1:37 am
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Originally Posted by Expatrick
Doesn't Jennifer Arcurio remind you of Stormy Daniels?
In terms of both of them bonking world leaders or some other way?
 
Old Sep 28th 2019 | 1:38 am
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Originally Posted by Shard
Even in the UK Marmite is a bit marmite.
As are the jellied eels

 
Old Sep 28th 2019 | 1:47 am
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
As are the jellied eels
Cannot think of a worse food.
 
Old Sep 28th 2019 | 1:51 am
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
In terms of both of them bonking world leaders or some other way?
That, and the appearance!

Originally Posted by Shard
Cannot think of a worse food.
I suspect the Brits will be eating a lot more of them!
 
Old Sep 28th 2019 | 9:19 am
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His sister disagrees with him too.
Johnson was criticised by his sister, Rachel, who told Sky: “I do think it was particularly tasteless for those grieving a mother, MP and friend to say the best way to honour her memory is to deliver the thing she and her family campaigned against.“I think it was a very tasteless way of referring to the memory of a murdered MP, murdered by someone who said ‘Britain first’, of the far-right tendency, which you could argue is being whipped up by this sort of language.

“My brother is using words like surrender and capitulation as if the people standing in the way of the blessed will of the people as defined by 17.4m votes in 2016 should be hung, drawn, quartered, tarred and feathered. I think that is highly reprehensible language to use.”
 
Old Sep 28th 2019 | 9:30 am
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Originally Posted by Expatrick
That, and the appearance!
Actually yes. When Stormy dresses more...uh...conservatively there's quite the resemblance.

 
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I was ok when JC became leader. How wrong I was. Margaret Hodge facing deselection is unbelievable. The lack of any real opposition is a tragedy.
 
Old Sep 28th 2019 | 2:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Teaandtoday5
I was ok when JC became leader. How wrong I was. Margaret Hodge facing deselection is unbelievable. The lack of any real opposition is a tragedy.
Yes, it's a grim thought that no one trusts Johnson, no PM has been lass successful than Johnson, but in an election tomorrow Johnson would likely win. Labour really has failed the nation by not getting rid of Corbyn and offering the voters a viable alternative to Johnson.
 
Old Sep 28th 2019 | 6:42 pm
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Yes, it's a grim thought that no one trusts Johnson, no PM has been lass successful than Johnson, but in an election tomorrow Johnson would likely win. Labour really has failed the nation by not getting rid of Corbyn and offering the voters a viable alternative to Johnson.
It's an interesting position to take to concede that Johnson might very well command the majority of the UK franchise at an election whilst governing without a majority in parliament and yet castigate the Labour party for supporting their elected leader for not wanting an election or even supporting a no confidence vote.
It truly does require a flexible approach to an appreciation of UK politics to understand what's going on.
 
Old Sep 28th 2019 | 11:41 pm
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castigate the Labour party for supporting their elected leader for not wanting an election or even supporting a no confidence vote..
Labour do want an election and they want to win. The ideal for them electorally would be to let Johnson have his no deal Brexit and then have an election while the country's in chaos. However, that's not the responsible thing to do.
 
Old Sep 29th 2019 | 7:17 am
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Labour do want an election and they want to win. The ideal for them electorally would be to let Johnson have his no deal Brexit and then have an election while the country's in chaos. However, that's not the responsible thing to do.
It certainly looks as though an extension will be implemented to be followed immediately by an election.
And then.. it'll be down to the voter, ignored most of the time, to decide.
Will it be Johnson, the renegade promising an end to the chaos or will it be Corbyn promising more of the same?
Johnson will only be able to win by promising no-deal to the Brexit Party, otherwise both lose out, and he'll be able to point to an obdurate EU to support this.
Labour, the fence sitters, will have to cope with will we or won't we and their turnout'll be compromised by the Stay-in Lib Dems, who will be also rans. Labour are caught in the middle and'll be squeezed until they crack.
All of this seems fairly straightforward, so like preventing a no deal, will the election be allowed or will it, as you put it, not be the responsible thing to do?
We shall see.
 


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