PM Boris
Sep 27th 2019, 6:02 pm
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Re: PM Boris
The reality is that it's a trade-off, and that's what rarely gets discussed. Do we protect our fishing industry at the expense of our financial services sector, add another thousand fishing jobs while losing 30,000 services jobs, that kind of thing. What kind of laws will a completely sovereign Parliament want to enact different from the EU, lower quality standards? less social protection? On new trade deals, what are we restricted on now? Why do Germany and France have no problem operating within an EU framework? We always hear about these sunlit uplands, but when you press for detail there are no concrete examples of the gains to be had.
In theory, a sovereign UK Parliament could ban smoking in Paris. It cannot do that at the moment (Those that have studied constitutional law will get that, others will think I mad). I am amazed that you have asked the question on trade deals that you have and I will leave it for Germany and France to answer your final question.
Sep 27th 2019, 6:05 pm
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Re: PM Boris
There are, of course, many, you are simply choosing not to look for them. Reclaiming territorial waters for fishing, being able to strike whatever trade deals the country wishes to without having to consider how it may affect other members of the EU, and the UK Parliament becoming sovereign once again.
Well, there are many sectors hit by Brexit. The Leave campaign highlighted the beleaguered UK fishing industry and pitted mercenary French and Spanish vessels against solid and forlorn Cornish and Scottish fishermen with nothing to do. It was an emotional, manipulative campaign. Of course, there are issues in off shore fishing, and Britain does list out, but it has to be seen in the wider context of us accessing European markets to sell slightly less romantic items like insurance !
“This [[i]Unearthed story] shows that, while it points the fingers at others, this government is to blame for a sector rigged in the interests of the super-rich. Any future fishing policy must consider how new and existing quota can be more fairly distributed and we will treat this as a priority in the upcoming fisheries bill.”
The investigation found:
The investigation found:
- The five largest quota-holders control more than a third of UK fishing quota
- Four of the top five belong to families on the Sunday Times Rich List
- The fifth is a Dutch multinational whose UK subsidiary – North Atlantic Fishing Company – controls around a quarter of England’s fishing quota
- Around half of England’s quota is ultimately owned by Dutch, Icelandic, or Spanish interests
- More than half (13) of the top 25 quota holders have directors, shareholders, or vessel partners who were convicted of offences in Scotland’s £63m “black fish” scam – a huge, sophisticated fraud that saw trawlermen and fish processors working together to evade quota limits and land 170,000 tonnes of undeclared herring and mackerel
- One of the flagships of the “Brexit flotilla” – which sailed up the Thames in 2016 to demand the UK’s exit from the EU – is among the UK’s 10 biggest quota-holders
- Around 29% of UK fishing quota is directly controlled by Rich List families. Some of these families have investments in dozens of other fishing companies, meaning companies holding 37% of UK quota are wholly or partly owned by these Rich List families.
owners of more than 95% of UK quota holdings – including, for the first time, those of Scotland, the UK’s biggest fishing nation.
It reveals that more than two-thirds of the UK’s fishing quota is controlled by just 25 businesses – and more than half of those are linked to one of the biggest criminal overfishing scams ever to reach the British courts.
Meanwhile, in England nearly 80% of fishing quota is held by foreign owners or domestic Rich List families, and more than half of Northern Ireland’s quota is hoarded onto a single trawler.
It reveals that more than two-thirds of the UK’s fishing quota is controlled by just 25 businesses – and more than half of those are linked to one of the biggest criminal overfishing scams ever to reach the British courts.
Meanwhile, in England nearly 80% of fishing quota is held by foreign owners or domestic Rich List families, and more than half of Northern Ireland’s quota is hoarded onto a single trawler.
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Sep 27th 2019, 6:06 pm
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Well, there are many sectors hit by Brexit. The Leave campaign highlighted the beleaguered UK fishing industry and pitted mercenary French and Spanish vessels against solid and forlorn Cornish and Scottish fishermen with nothing to do. It was an emotional, manipulative campaign. Of course, there are issues in off shore fishing, and Britain does list out, but it has to be seen in the wider context of us accessing European markets to sell slightly less romantic items like insurance !
Sep 27th 2019, 6:08 pm
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F*&K me, get Costco to contact them asap. Oh, just realised, they can't as it isn't going to happen until well after Costco's usual purchasing lead in times!
Sep 27th 2019, 6:12 pm
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Eh? Is Costco going to be banned after Brexit? If not, surely it doesn't matter when the sheep are going to slaughter, cheap sheep are still cheap sheep.
Sep 27th 2019, 6:21 pm
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Re: PM Boris
I have sympathy for those effected (as I pointed out to Dave above). What I take issue with is the emotive campaign used to manipulate Joe Public to focus on very tangible national/local misfortune in order to gain buy-in for a highly damaging change in economic direction. For a lawyer you're not very strong on nuance.
Sep 27th 2019, 6:22 pm
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- control of the issuance of fishing permits but the fishing companies are dodgy and/or EU owned anyway
- the ability to control immigrants more freely, to Windrush them at will
It's not seeming a noble endeavor.
Sep 27th 2019, 6:23 pm
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Sep 27th 2019, 7:00 pm
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How many other things are the EU blamed for that are equally untrue?
During the referendum campaign, and since then, Remainers have tried to point out these lies and misconceptions, but Leavers didn't bother listening because we weren't appealing to their emotions....
During the referendum campaign, and since then, Remainers have tried to point out these lies and misconceptions, but Leavers didn't bother listening because we weren't appealing to their emotions....
Sep 27th 2019, 7:21 pm
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How many other things are the EU blamed for that are equally untrue?
During the referendum campaign, and since then, Remainers have tried to point out these lies and misconceptions, but Leavers didn't bother listening because we weren't appealing to their emotions....
During the referendum campaign, and since then, Remainers have tried to point out these lies and misconceptions, but Leavers didn't bother listening because we weren't appealing to their emotions....
Sep 27th 2019, 7:26 pm
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Sep 27th 2019, 7:30 pm
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Can anyone explain what the non-tory MPs' objection to the WA was/is?