Pierre Poilievre
Oct 3rd 2022 | 12:00 pm
#31
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Oct 3rd 2022 | 12:07 pm
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Re: Pierre Poilievre
Oct 4th 2022 | 12:00 am
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Re: Pierre Poilievre
Interesting election last night.
The CAQ got about 75% of the seats with about 40% of the vote. The electoral map is a sea of pale blue, with an island of dark blue where you'd expect it and pockets of red where you'd expect them (except for the one in Quebec City). Not a Conservative in sight. At least there is little prospect of another referendum anytime soon. Lego man has categorically stated that he will never support one.
The results show how iffy the current system is. The four losing parties all got about the same share of votes but the share of seats came out over the range of zero to 21.
The CAQ got about 75% of the seats with about 40% of the vote. The electoral map is a sea of pale blue, with an island of dark blue where you'd expect it and pockets of red where you'd expect them (except for the one in Quebec City). Not a Conservative in sight. At least there is little prospect of another referendum anytime soon. Lego man has categorically stated that he will never support one.
The results show how iffy the current system is. The four losing parties all got about the same share of votes but the share of seats came out over the range of zero to 21.
Oct 4th 2022 | 8:55 pm
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Re: Pierre Poilievre
I believe that the "many" that you are referring to would have been here whether there were vaccines or not.
The pro-life argument is a whole other kettle of fish. I doubt that many would argue that a termination to save the life of a mother is bad thing.
However, once again, the situation is a little more nuanced when arguing that "my body, my choice" is the be all and end all. Would you agree that abortion is an acceptable form of contraception? If the mother can choose to terminate against the father's wishes, should it not also be the case that, if the mother decides to give birth against the father's wishes, should the father have to pay for child support?
The pro-life argument is a whole other kettle of fish. I doubt that many would argue that a termination to save the life of a mother is bad thing.
However, once again, the situation is a little more nuanced when arguing that "my body, my choice" is the be all and end all. Would you agree that abortion is an acceptable form of contraception? If the mother can choose to terminate against the father's wishes, should it not also be the case that, if the mother decides to give birth against the father's wishes, should the father have to pay for child support?
Oct 5th 2022 | 1:18 am
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Re: Pierre Poilievre
A quick google shows a history of anti-abortion voting/comments along with the suggestion that his stance softened "conveniently" when a chance of the leadership emerged and now happily relying on other people to introduce the necessary bills rather than him.
Oct 5th 2022 | 3:56 am
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Re: Pierre Poilievre
Yes, an acceptable form of contraception in the early weeks. On child support, I think if the mother chooses not to terminate against the father's wishes, then it would depend on the nature of the relationship. For example a father who encouraged the pregnancy but then changed his mind might have to pay; but a mother who became pregnant in a calculated manner might not have any such claim. I wouldn't say that child support should be automatic.
I am not getting involved with a debate about child support.
Oct 5th 2022 | 3:59 am
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Oct 5th 2022 | 4:06 am
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Re: Pierre Poilievre
No problem, although it was you that raised the question in the first place.
Oct 5th 2022 | 8:10 am
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Re: Pierre Poilievre
Yes, an acceptable form of contraception in the early weeks. On child support, I think if the mother chooses not to terminate against the father's wishes, then it would depend on the nature of the relationship. For example a father who encouraged the pregnancy but then changed his mind might have to pay; but a mother who became pregnant in a calculated manner might not have any such claim. I wouldn't say that child support should be automatic.
Oct 5th 2022 | 9:06 am
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Re: Pierre Poilievre
Oct 5th 2022 | 9:51 am
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Re: Pierre Poilievre
I don't think it is and I've only met one woman who used it as such. Also abortion isn't contraception as conception has taken place. As for fathers not paying, it is the child that will suffer from that decision isn't it. Having sex is a calculated risk against pregnancy, contraception fails, isn't used, etc etc. If the man was deceived about effective contraception then maybe he would have a case but basically if you stick your penis in a vagina and ejaculate you should have considered the consequences and ensuing responsibilities
Oct 5th 2022 | 11:31 am
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Re: Pierre Poilievre
His 2005 speech in which he said so.
In any case, he's a modern conservative, a local Josh Hawley or Liz Truss, their raison d'etre is restricting freedom and concentrating wealth. Unless you're the Pope you've no business voting for them.
Last edited by dbd33; Oct 5th 2022 at 11:42 am.
Oct 5th 2022 | 12:12 pm
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