New Brunswick-Tuition Free post secondary tuition for low income
Apr 15th 2016, 3:34 am
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Havent anu idea how anyone would find these sorts of jobs.
Unless your talking about temp agencies which I have applied to dozens of times and they never seem to have anything suitable for my experience and qualifications. Their words not mine.
Ive never seen a contract job advertised as you describe so no idea where one would locate that sort of job.
My guess is they are mostly skilled jobs?
Unless your talking about temp agencies which I have applied to dozens of times and they never seem to have anything suitable for my experience and qualifications. Their words not mine.
Ive never seen a contract job advertised as you describe so no idea where one would locate that sort of job.
My guess is they are mostly skilled jobs?
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think you're missing a change in workplace practices that aids the poorly educated. It's true that there was a movement away from learning on the job toward requiring a degree for everything but I think that's been mitigated by the casualization of the workforce.
It was the HR department that set the general corporate requirements; specifically that everyone had to have a degree. People hired through corporate HR would then be awarded a position with benefits such as healthcare, paid vacations and pensions. These benefits were expensive so corporations have steadily moved away from having employees to having independent subcontractors on what, in the UK, are called zero hour contracts. There have always been some people who worked this way but they tended to be highly paid specialists needed for short periods.
Now, all of the computer department, most of the accountants, the person who dispatches the salt trucks, half the staff of the hospital, are on contract. Reasonably often, the contractors are the same people who were previously employees, now paid more per hour but without benefits, in effect betting on having a good life but a short one.
Contractors are typically hired by local managers (often themselves contractors) who are solely concerned with getting the job done. They don't care what education the worker has "does he know Java?" not "does he have a degree in coffee plantation management?" and they're asking the pimp (sorry, reputable consulting firm) not the worker and the pimp will always say "yes, years of experience, self starter". Practically speaking, the consulting firm lies for the worker, a benefit to the less brazen.
So long as the worker has a reasonable general knowledge, is a competent bullshitter and will secretly spend the evenings learning what he or she was sold as knowing, this arrangement is a boon to those without qualifications.
think you're missing a change in workplace practices that aids the poorly educated. It's true that there was a movement away from learning on the job toward requiring a degree for everything but I think that's been mitigated by the casualization of the workforce.
It was the HR department that set the general corporate requirements; specifically that everyone had to have a degree. People hired through corporate HR would then be awarded a position with benefits such as healthcare, paid vacations and pensions. These benefits were expensive so corporations have steadily moved away from having employees to having independent subcontractors on what, in the UK, are called zero hour contracts. There have always been some people who worked this way but they tended to be highly paid specialists needed for short periods.
Now, all of the computer department, most of the accountants, the person who dispatches the salt trucks, half the staff of the hospital, are on contract. Reasonably often, the contractors are the same people who were previously employees, now paid more per hour but without benefits, in effect betting on having a good life but a short one.
Contractors are typically hired by local managers (often themselves contractors) who are solely concerned with getting the job done. They don't care what education the worker has "does he know Java?" not "does he have a degree in coffee plantation management?" and they're asking the pimp (sorry, reputable consulting firm) not the worker and the pimp will always say "yes, years of experience, self starter". Practically speaking, the consulting firm lies for the worker, a benefit to the less brazen.
So long as the worker has a reasonable general knowledge, is a competent bullshitter and will secretly spend the evenings learning what he or she was sold as knowing, this arrangement is a boon to those without qualifications.
Apr 15th 2016, 3:57 am
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Re: New Brunswick-Tuition Free post secondary tuition for low income
To be fair, there's an enormous difference between occasional light domestic cleaning of one's own accommodation to self satisfying standards and something one does for around 40 hours a week to someone else's standards at multiple sites, and that's without the accountancy aspects, different equipment, and operation of same, alongside the added complication of perhaps being an employer to someone.
It's like saying that because I can do my rental accounts I can become an accountant for some financial giant.
It's like saying that because I can do my rental accounts I can become an accountant for some financial giant.
The "equipment" she used was the same she used to clean her own house.
It is possible, one simply needs to stop erecting barriers.
Apr 15th 2016, 4:03 am
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Someone understands.
Most just dont realize how profundly mental issues affects ones life eapecially so when untreated.
The untreated part is not by choice, its just cost prohibitive and its not covered by MSP.
The medical system doesnt like long term difficult to treat mental illness and just wont cover DBT type treatment programs.
Some provinces are better, ON has some OHIP funded programs but not many and usually a 1 to 2 year wait or more. And of course you need to be a resident of ON which doesnt help those who live elsewhere in Canada.
More people in need of treatment then treatment options.
Even the few private options in BC can have a wait list of months.
Its not just Canada, treatment is difficult to find in most of the world.
The US has a plethora of treatment options however they are costly so not an option for most.
I never rejected bats idea either, its not something one can just jump into so research is needed in order to see of its an option so I just didnt say anything at all as I havent any idea as of now if its a possibility.
Most just dont realize how profundly mental issues affects ones life eapecially so when untreated.
The untreated part is not by choice, its just cost prohibitive and its not covered by MSP.
The medical system doesnt like long term difficult to treat mental illness and just wont cover DBT type treatment programs.
Some provinces are better, ON has some OHIP funded programs but not many and usually a 1 to 2 year wait or more. And of course you need to be a resident of ON which doesnt help those who live elsewhere in Canada.
More people in need of treatment then treatment options.
Even the few private options in BC can have a wait list of months.
Its not just Canada, treatment is difficult to find in most of the world.
The US has a plethora of treatment options however they are costly so not an option for most.
I never rejected bats idea either, its not something one can just jump into so research is needed in order to see of its an option so I just didnt say anything at all as I havent any idea as of now if its a possibility.
To be fair, there's an enormous difference between occasional light domestic cleaning of one's own accommodation to self satisfying standards and something one does for around 40 hours a week to someone else's standards at multiple sites, and that's without the accountancy aspects, different equipment, and operation of same, alongside the added complication of perhaps being an employer to someone.
It's like saying that because I can do my rental accounts I can become an accountant for some financial giant.
It's like saying that because I can do my rental accounts I can become an accountant for some financial giant.
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Apr 15th 2016, 4:58 am
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Re: New Brunswick-Tuition Free post secondary tuition for low income
One assumes most people are capable of cleaning their own houses. That being the case, I fail to see what form of debilitating mental condition would prevent someone, that was able to hold a job, from being able to set up their own cleaning business as suggested by Bats above.
As you are likely aware, many other posters have suggested lots of other similar options, all of which have been rejected.
Of course, another option is to give up. One then has lots of time to post about it online.
As you are likely aware, many other posters have suggested lots of other similar options, all of which have been rejected.
Of course, another option is to give up. One then has lots of time to post about it online.
Apr 15th 2016, 5:11 am
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But your original point was about someone being able to clean their own house and hold a job being able to run their own cleaning company be it as the sole person or otherwise.
The barriers may already be there rather than be erected.
What if you don't have your own car to get around to these other houses? Maybe you share a car but your spouse uses it for their work?
Do you carry your buckets and mops and things around on the bus?
Maybe I'm generalising but I reckon people would feel more comfortable about employing a woman cleaner for their homes than a man. Especially, perhaps, in Canada.
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Apr 15th 2016, 5:23 am
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I am not so sure as well that people would be keen on a man going to their house to clean.
There is a reason most hotels dont have men cleaning guest rooms and have the men clean the common areas. Guests dont feel comfortable having men in their rooms.
We do have the car issue. Wife has it 5 days a week.
Insurance also would go uo quite a lot for commercial or bussiness use.
Its not as cut and dry as it seems on the surface.
There is a reason most hotels dont have men cleaning guest rooms and have the men clean the common areas. Guests dont feel comfortable having men in their rooms.
We do have the car issue. Wife has it 5 days a week.
Insurance also would go uo quite a lot for commercial or bussiness use.
Its not as cut and dry as it seems on the surface.
I don't doubt it.
But your original point was about someone being able to clean their own house and hold a job being able to run their own cleaning company be it as the sole person or otherwise.
The barriers may already be there rather than be erected.
What if you don't have your own car to get around to these other houses? Maybe you share a car but your spouse uses it for their work?
Do you carry your buckets and mops and things around on the bus?
Maybe I'm generalising but I reckon people would feel more comfortable about employing a woman cleaner for their homes than a man. Especially, perhaps, in Canada.
But your original point was about someone being able to clean their own house and hold a job being able to run their own cleaning company be it as the sole person or otherwise.
The barriers may already be there rather than be erected.
What if you don't have your own car to get around to these other houses? Maybe you share a car but your spouse uses it for their work?
Do you carry your buckets and mops and things around on the bus?
Maybe I'm generalising but I reckon people would feel more comfortable about employing a woman cleaner for their homes than a man. Especially, perhaps, in Canada.
Apr 15th 2016, 5:37 am
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Re: New Brunswick-Tuition Free post secondary tuition for low income
I am not so sure as well that people would be keen on a man going to their house to clean.
There is a reason most hotels dont have men cleaning guest rooms and have the men clean the common areas. Guests dont feel comfortable having men in their rooms.
We do have the car issue. Wife has it 5 days a week.
Insurance also would go uo quite a lot for commercial or bussiness use.
Its not as cut and dry as it seems on the surface.
There is a reason most hotels dont have men cleaning guest rooms and have the men clean the common areas. Guests dont feel comfortable having men in their rooms.
We do have the car issue. Wife has it 5 days a week.
Insurance also would go uo quite a lot for commercial or bussiness use.
Its not as cut and dry as it seems on the surface.
Apr 15th 2016, 5:50 am
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Re: New Brunswick-Tuition Free post secondary tuition for low income
I am not so sure as well that people would be keen on a man going to their house to clean.
There is a reason most hotels dont have men cleaning guest rooms and have the men clean the common areas. Guests dont feel comfortable having men in their rooms.
We do have the car issue. Wife has it 5 days a week.
Insurance also would go uo quite a lot for commercial or bussiness use.
Its not as cut and dry as it seems on the surface.
There is a reason most hotels dont have men cleaning guest rooms and have the men clean the common areas. Guests dont feel comfortable having men in their rooms.
We do have the car issue. Wife has it 5 days a week.
Insurance also would go uo quite a lot for commercial or bussiness use.
Its not as cut and dry as it seems on the surface.
Apr 15th 2016, 5:59 am
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I don't doubt it.
But your original point was about someone being able to clean their own house and hold a job being able to run their own cleaning company be it as the sole person or otherwise.
The barriers may already be there rather than be erected.
What if you don't have your own car to get around to these other houses? Maybe you share a car but your spouse uses it for their work?
Do you carry your buckets and mops and things around on the bus?
Maybe I'm generalising but I reckon people would feel more comfortable about employing a woman cleaner for their homes than a man. Especially, perhaps, in Canada.
But your original point was about someone being able to clean their own house and hold a job being able to run their own cleaning company be it as the sole person or otherwise.
The barriers may already be there rather than be erected.
What if you don't have your own car to get around to these other houses? Maybe you share a car but your spouse uses it for their work?
Do you carry your buckets and mops and things around on the bus?
Maybe I'm generalising but I reckon people would feel more comfortable about employing a woman cleaner for their homes than a man. Especially, perhaps, in Canada.
I actually have a house cleaner as a client. She is an immigrant that speaks English very poorly. Her income last year was around $60,000 all while caring for her 3 children under the age of 10.
Apr 15th 2016, 6:01 am
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Re: New Brunswick-Tuition Free post secondary tuition for low income
Kinda gotten away from the original post about tuition fees, as per usual.
Apr 15th 2016, 6:21 am
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They walk themselves.
Domestic cleaning or office cleaning? Maybe they are like those feature on Eurotrash a few years ago. 
I used a local cleaning company to do up the duplex once. One of their specialities is cleaning after tenants left, so it's actually empty. No males on their staff.
I used a local cleaning company to do up the duplex once. One of their specialities is cleaning after tenants left, so it's actually empty. No males on their staff.
Apr 15th 2016, 6:25 am
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JS has already confirmed he'd not have transport.
Apr 15th 2016, 6:41 am
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I saw on the news last night that some believed that this would ensure that students remained in NB after graduating. Do you know how? Do those that will receive free tuition have to remain in NB for X years post graduation? If not, is the hope simply that students will enjoy their time in NB so much that they will want to stay?
Apr 15th 2016, 6:47 am
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That I do not know, unless it's something similar to PNP but can't see how that works here
Apr 15th 2016, 7:47 am
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Come out of Uni with a big debt and it's natural to want to pay it off as quick as you can. If higher earnings are available elsewhere, that might mean going elsewhere.
Have no debt or smaller debt, then there's less reason to make the big decision.
Plus, if you benefit from something like that and you plan on having a family, you might think it a good idea to stay and have your kids benefit from it.
Also, one might think it the 'fair' thing to do. There are people like that.
