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Old Mar 29th 2020, 4:17 am
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Originally Posted by dbd33 View Post
If the objective is solely to reduce the count of deaths then, no, the shutdown is not worthwhile. I understand (from quality sources but underinformed sources) that half the people in intensive care survive when equipment is available. When equipment is not available them all without ventilators die. We can say that buying very many ventilators would have been cheaper than a stock market crash and a lock down.

That's tip of the iceberg though. The disease is new. We know that people who have it and recover suffer lung damage. We don't know what that does in the long term. We know that people recover but we don't know if they are then immune or susceptible to catching the disease again.

We also don't know what the impact of a disunited approach might be. Suppose we have a country where some areas, we could call them red states, are provided with lots of equipment while other areas, call them blue states, get inadequate supplies. Obviously lots of blue state people die but, later on, people will mingle. Blue state survivors will go to red states (not Indiana, no one goes there, but other ones). Does that set up a second and more forceful wave of disease in the manner of the Spanish Flu?

Too little is known, or can be known, to say whether or not the shut down was worth the cost. It's the price of your loyal but aging dog, innit? Emotionally no price is too high but when it comes to having to sell the Range Rover, maybe not so much.
I can't disagree with any of that.

My doctor clients in and around Calgary have informed me that very few of the confirmed cases have been admitted.
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Old Mar 29th 2020, 9:32 am
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One of the recovered is a 99 year old in one of the care homes, full recovery, has dementia so apparently not fully aware of the what was going on.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...vers-1.5513820
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Old Mar 29th 2020, 2:31 pm
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I posted this on the dark side but it's worth it here too

Surprisingly 'relevant'

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Old Mar 29th 2020, 2:36 pm
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From what I have been able to learn, those that become infected fall into one of 4 categories: those that don't know they have it.; those that exhibit minor symptoms that they don't attribute to C19; those that have symptoms that they realise is C19 and from which they make a full and relatively quick recovery; those that have severe symptoms from which they die.

The first 3 categories are such that, it would appear, sensible people would not concern themselves with. The last category, it would appear, has very few survivors. Clearly, we wish to avoid as many falling into this category as possible and, I would argue, those that are susceptible to being in that category should take whatever action they can to self isolate to limit their exposure (the elderly, those with underlying health conditions).

If I am correct ( and I appreciate I may not be due to the massive lack of data available to non medics) one has to argue that the benefit to society of the economic consequences of shutting life down is worth the benefit that will result. The longer this goes on for, and the more that suffer from the economic fallout, the more difficult it will become to justify the effects of 5he situation and the more difficult it will become to keep peolple on side.
Looks like a 50% survival rate in UK intensive care so far.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...e_iOSApp_Other
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Old Mar 29th 2020, 2:46 pm
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Looks like a 50% survival rate in UK intensive care so far.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...e_iOSApp_Other
Thanks. That is encouraging.
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Old Mar 29th 2020, 6:43 pm
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Thanks. That is encouraging.
Well 50% is better than 0% but the treatment seems to comprise not much more than putting those that can't breath themselves on a ventilator and hoping for the best.

It will be interesting to see the extent to which opinion turns against China on this.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...us-resentment/
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Old Mar 29th 2020, 7:03 pm
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It will be interesting to see the extent to which opinion turns against China on this.
Yes, we already see the political batallions positioning themselves to mould and exploit public reaction.
As the immediate emergency eases we'll see the blame game emerge in it's full despicable force to drown out those crying out for common sense.
This political virus might end up causing more problems than the real thing.
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So for Canada as a whole as of this article from a day ago:

Hospitalization rate COVID is- 7%

3% have required ICU

1% have died.

30% of those hospitalized are under 40.

Looks like BC would start to be in trouble if it got to Italy level, but otherwise seems our system can handle this, Italy is the worst case scenario used in their modelling projections.
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Old Mar 30th 2020, 12:26 am
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I've been a fan of John Prine since he first started out, and he's in critical condition with covid-19.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/singer...mily-1.4873506
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I've been a fan of John Prine since he first started out, and he's in critical condition with covid-19.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/singer...mily-1.4873506
Jesus Christ died for nothing, I suppose.
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Grocery stores in BC have a few more restrictions to follow if they want to stay open.
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Old Mar 30th 2020, 2:46 pm
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Much of this is already being done down here in Mississippi at our Winn-Dixie supermarket. There has been yellow tape by the registers for over a week now and hand sanitizers at the end of every other aisle, front and back.
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Something not to try...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ralian-doctor/
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Germany seems to be so far ahead in managing this...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...w-quarantined/
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Old Mar 30th 2020, 3:27 pm
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Or move to Belarus.

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