Former Lancastrian

Just for clarification for those mentioning border officials in this context it would be Provincial officials and not Federal officials There again we get blamed for other stuff we don't deal with like security at airports for domestic and international flights although CATSA has 3 of my Agencies letters in their name so it is easy to get us confused

scrubbedexpat091

Even more confusing as people think the CATSA screeners are federal employees when they are not, CATSA outsources to companies like G4S, Garda, and Securitas for screening services, and people at times I found confuse US Customs as Canadian at airports with pre-clearance, some don't realize US Customs are actually American's who work for the US Government in Canada. And from a distance various uniforms look similiar, add in airport security (not the screeners but actual airport security) who wear dark blue police like uniforms at YVR, from a distance they look like RCMP, not until your closer you realize they have no guns, and notice the word security on their uniform rather than police, and the ones with K9's even more confusing, is it security, RCMP or CBSA.

cxx

I think it's peace officers at the NB borders. Regardless of who they are, I expect that if they knew the child was living in Quebec they would have reminded the doctor about the 14 day quarantine requirement.

scrubbedexpat091

Countries who required masks early on appear to have lower death rates vs countries that delayed mask wearing.

scrubbedexpat091

• 32 more people have been diagnosed with COVID-19 since Friday.
• One more death has been recorded in the province.
• There are 14 people in hospital with the illness, six of them in intensive care.
• There are currently a total of 2,822 cases.
• There are 182 active cases in B.C.
• 2,471 people have recovered in the province.
• There are no new community outbreaks.
• Phase 3 to begin in B.C. soon, though no specific date announced.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...e-22-1.5622545

Shard

Sounds like this guy might take your wager AC !

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Gozit

I wonder when the 14 day self-isolation requirement will be partially or fully lifted for Canadians who choose to travel. I don't see the increased risk as long as you are travelling somewhere with LOW covid-19 cases, vs. going out to a store, bar/restaurant or any of the other things that have reopened.

From where I live I can drive to Toronto and do whatever I want then come back but if I go outside the country to a country with low COVID cases, I have to self-isolate upon my return to Canada. It's starting to not make sense. I've reached out to my MP and been searching for info on this but haven't come up with anything concrete re. the government plan on this.

I think we will see something soon though, I am getting emails from airlines all planning on resuming services on July 20-23 ish, so that gives me a bit of a hint that there may be some agreements in place by then.

Almost Canadian

To those that act as if coming within 2 metres of someone will cause them to explode. What is your proposed plan? To remain isolated at home until they find a vaccine (bearing in mind there isn't a vaccine for AIDS yet) and to have those that cannot work from home receive funds from the government until then?

Those jurisdictions that have, supposedly, been the ones whose examples others should follows (Germany, South Korea) are now experiencing spikes too.

I am genuinely interested.

Jerseygirl

All I ask is that people just wear a bloody mask and keep the germs to themselves.

Almost Canadian

OK. Other than that, everything opens and people return to work?

Gozit

agreed, the world cannot be put on hold forever.

Ultimately it comes down to respecting others' boundaries re their personal risk tolerance. Clearly the risk of overwhelming our healthcare system with ICU cases is now less than we thought it was, so as long as we don't overburden our healthcare system people should be able to go about their business within reason. (I.e. don't be stupid, and wear a mask where necessary/prudent.)

Danny B

This is how I am dealing with it where I live.

If I am outside in a small crowd of less than 30, I'm not worried. No mask and not really concerned about being 2m apart.
If I am inside, a small shop for example, no mask but I do social distance and turn my head away when social distancing isn't possible, small aisles for example.
If I get my haircut or visit the dentist, I will do whatever they tell me to do. No questions asked.
I haven't been to a restaurant yet so I'm not sure what I will do there, hopefully sit outside.

BristolUK

But what if the day before you flew from a low case country you were in a high case country? What if you were exposed to the virus in a low case country? How about all those people at the airport/on the plane that might have been infectious symptomatic or not, from all over, including high case countries.

It's not really practical go into all that for new arrivals whereas it's quite easy to insist they self-isolate.

Unless road blocks and the like are set up, there's little to be done preventing you from travel in your own country or even province.

scrubbedexpat091

This is more or less what BC has been doing, the initial restrictions (which were still far less restrictive vs say Ontario, and parts of the US) kept the curve low and to a point where the hospitals were never overwhelmed, and once we had consistent falling of new cases and hospitalizations they started lifting various restrictions, phase 3 will see just about everything else reopened, although I wont be surprised if they keep the cap on gatherings to 50 as we have had some outbreak clusters linked to family gatherings, people tend to not take precautions with their family as they would with strangers.

But again we never saw super strict lock down or restrictions other places had.

BC now is doing the managing game, keep the cases to keep hospitalizations low, as long as we don't see massive increases in new cases/hospitalizations I imagine we will not need to go back to phase 2 or phase 1 restrictions.

BC is pushing for longer border closures though, especially with the US, bulk of our early cases are European strain imported from Eastern Canada and strain from US mostly Washington State, so BC government isn't keen on seeing mass influx of travel into BC from outside of BC yet,

Gozit

Same here.

CBSA officer would ask you when you left the country and which countries you travelled to, and if necessary look up passport records - you would declare to the officer you had been in a country with high cases and they would tell you to self-isolate.

Mask wearing is mandatory on the plane and in the airport and I would hope I would stay 6ft+ away from other people, I don't have a desire to be near strangers. Risk of coming into contact with someone infectious is the same as walking into a shopping mall to do some non-essential shopping.

i'd disagree with that given the fact that i'm sure CBSA can swipe your passport and see everywhere your passport has been swiped, plus all the electronic databases available they should be able to figure it out, that combined with a declaration that is sworn to be true by the person wishing to (re-)enter the country as to where they have been.