scrubbedexpat091

[QUOTE=printer;13035773]That's something that will no doubt be the subject of much debate and controversy. There have been suggestions that those employed but not jabbed could work from home in some cases but there still leaves a gap where those that are unable to get vaccinated for whatever reason would then be prevented from earning a wage and are they then going to claim government handouts because they have been forced to quit work?[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by dbd33

Yes. If someone can't have a vaccination and so cannot work, they have a disability and so should be eligible for the same pittance as someone who cannot work due to having MS or cystic fibrosis or whatever other condition.

DBD to me seemed to be suggesting people who have a health condition that prevents them from getting a vaccine, who are presently working and doing their day to day activities just fine, should lose their jobs and thus income over it and sent into poverty.

scrubbedexpat091

Not to mention in many provinces disability is needs based. BC is payer of last resort, wont get disability easily here, first you need to be eligible for general assistance, which means basically being destitute, have credit, savings, investments, property that exceeds the asset limits your going to need to exhaust all those first.

Not to mention they would probably be homeless as housing portion of assistance in BC is a horrendously low $375/month and aside from BC Housing units, there is essentially nowhere in BC you can obtain housing for $375/month, and BC housing has a 7-10 year wait average from time of application to getting a unit.

dbd33

If the rule is that to go to work one must be vaccinated then people who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons should be entitled to disability payments; "not healthy, can't work" is as good a definition of disability as any.

dbd33

[QUOTE=Jsmth321;13036046] Yes, that's right. People should not be "working and doing their day to day activities just fine" at the risk of other people's health. They should be vaccinated. If they cannot be vaccinated then they are disabled, just like someone who cannot work through autism or being in an iron lung or whatever.

Rete

[QUOTE=dbd33;13036124]
Then you would classify my husband as disabled as he cannot get the vaccine due to his severe reaction to all flu vaccines as well as many other vaccines. He still goes out daily, interacts with people, has had COVID19 twice, once with hospitalization, but he wears a mask and takes precautions not to get reinfected. I don't agree that not being able to work if an employer mandates that all employees must be vaccinated to retain their job makes them disabled.

spouse of scouse

Quote cock-ups alert!

Siouxie

Not according to Ontario.

"To get income support from ODSP, most people must meet the ODSP definition of a "person with a disability".

This means that an approved health professional, such as a doctor, confirms that:

• you have a physical or mental health problem that is expected to last a year or more, and
• your health problem limits your ability to work, look after yourself, or do daily activities at home or in the community.

The law also says that your health problem must be substantial and it must limit your abilities in a substantial way."

Siouxie

It was Dbd that made the comment, the quote section appears to have gone awry

I agree with you wholeheartedly - it doesn't make them disabled, it makes them unemployed!

Rete

Pox on the quote function!

scrubbedexpat091

What is odd, when I posted last night it didn't look like that on my end.

Jerseygirl

Yup it was post 4096 that did the damage. I saw it early this morning but due to a recent update I can’t edit embolden text to regular font.

dbd33

To be clear, I'm not arguing that the Ontario government currently considers unvaccinated people to have a disability. I'm saying that, if firms follow in the path of Disney et al in defining "fit to work" as including being vaccinated then the way to deal with people who can't be vaccinated is to treat them as being disabled. They would, in fact be disabled/handicapped/differently abled in not being able to pursue their work for medical reasons.

I am, of course, aware that there's not much in the way of support for the disabled in Canada but that's an unrelated issue.

scrubbedexpat091

In the US anyhow even the companies who are mandating vaccines have to provide reasonable accommodations to those who cannot receive the vaccine due to disability, health, closely held religious beliefs.

An employer would need to show that accommodations would pose an undue hardship, meaning a significant difficulty or expense.

The government set a rather high threshold for under hardship, it's a difficult one to meet.

So these companies just can't layoff or fire employees who have a protected reason for not getting the vaccine, they have provide reasonable accommodations or prove significant difficulty or expense to provide accommodations.

dbd33

There is no way that "religious belief" should be a factor in a person's life and certainly not a corporation's. Still, the easy way to meet these requirements is just to pay the few people involved to stay at home and do nothing much. Their careers will be nothing much but, hey ho, that's the way these things go; they'll be on the heap with the people who believe in work/life balance.

dbd33

Not just Disney and WalMart! The band, Offspring, have fired their drummer for not being vaccinated.