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Old Jul 31st 2021, 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by BristolUK View Post
I think we should also not forget that a year ago it was going to "take at least a year" to produce vaccines and then roll-out difficulties would prolong the wait, yet here we are with many of us living in countries where most are already fully vaccinated.
Canada has certainly done well on vaccination, compared to say Australia. I don't think anywhere is out of the woods yet. China is now declaring Delta outbreaks and major lockdowns, and they were very well vaccinated.
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Old Jul 31st 2021, 3:03 pm
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It's truly bizarre that UK nightclubs are fully open two months in advance of the proposed vax passport. Totally illogical.
But not as busy as they'd like, it seems.
Clubbers shun reopened venues in England amid confusion over Covid safety
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Old Jul 31st 2021, 5:16 pm
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Some interesting commentary on this week's indie-Sage (UK Coronavirus scientists) presentation (on YT). Very little has been done in the UK on air ventilation (schools, etc) and they made the point that we would not tolerate dirty or infectious water, so we should not be tolerating infectious air. New York classrooms have a "air quality" rating system which the public can check ascertain Covid compliance, and the iSage group has been advocating this for months and months. What's the situation in Canadian provinces, have any introduced specific air filteration systems and or reporting for Covid. Is it a discussed issue?
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Old Aug 1st 2021, 1:25 am
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Originally Posted by dbd33 View Post
Moot, ffs.

There's no need of a carrot. Just have companies follow Disney and WalMart in making vaccination a requirement of employment.
That's something that will no doubt be the subject of much debate and controversy. There have been suggestions that those employed but not jabbed could work from home in some cases but there still leaves a gap where those that are unable to get vaccinated for whatever reason would then be prevented from earning a wage and are they then going to claim government handouts because they have been forced to quit work?
(I am not talking about the "anti vax" brigade or conspiracy nuts here.)
Here in BC they are talking about the young "party crowd" who are lagging behind on vaccinations so they need something to wake them up and get them on board. Many have been either in and out of employment due to the virus or lost their jobs and are claiming benefits, others just don't give a sh#t and despite the news stories about younger people being at risk and young people who have died or been hospitalized they are still primarily in the low risk category often with mild symptoms and not requiring hospital treatment. Is there any chance that our liberal government will get behind a "no jab no job" campaign?
Currently with the latest data as i was originally quoting it doesn't seem to matter if you are double jabbed you can still be a risk so even the double jabbed who have a job are still required to wear a mask and follow all the protocols. Obviously the unvaccinated could potentially be jobless but following the same protocols too. To many of us this has always been about getting back to some normality by following the rules and waiting for the day they are relaxed yet it appears these relaxed rules are often quickly reinstated when cases climb and people are getting restless.
This clip from a UK media source says it all:
YOUNG adults will be offered cinema tickets, taxi tides and fast food in return for getting their Covid jabs, according to reports.
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Old Aug 1st 2021, 1:40 am
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Conversely what happens if Delta continues to run rife and/or further variants happen because everyone including the vaccinated are passing on the virus without a care in the world simply because initially it's not harming them? The jabs are not going to appear the answer by then and that's even worse.

The carrot to dangle is to say look how many people have not died or been hospitalised since people have been getting jabs.
But isn't that carrot already being dangled? Low rates of hospital admissions, low new deaths, currently 47 in hospital and 16 in ICU for the entire province of 5 million people in BC. Yet we still have an issue with vaccination rates for the young. Clearly it's not enough and most of that age will not have anyone they know who has suffered, some will of course, but at that age we are invincible aren't we?
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Old Aug 1st 2021, 1:59 am
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There have been suggestions that those employed but not jabbed could work from home in some cases but there still leaves a gap where those that are unable to get vaccinated for whatever reason would then be prevented from earning a wage and are they then going to claim government handouts because they have been forced to quit work?
Yes. If someone can't have a vaccination and so cannot work, they have a disability and so should be eligible for the same pittance as someone who cannot work due to having MS or cystic fibrosis or whatever other condition.
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Yes. If someone can't have a vaccination and so cannot work, they have a disability and so should be eligible for the same pittance as someone who cannot work due to having MS or cystic fibrosis or whatever other condition.

Not necessarily.

It would really depend on the health issues behind the non-vaccination recommendation. I have been advised not to have the vaccination for several health reasons - but I am NOT considered disabled.
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Not necessarily.

It would really depend on the health issues behind the non-vaccination recommendation. I have been advised not to have the vaccination for several health reasons - but I am NOT considered disabled.
Have you not been vaccinated yet ?
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Have you not been vaccinated yet ?

Well DUH. As stated in my post, I have been advised by my medical team not to have the vaccination at this time, though possibly at some point in the future; they have yet to ascertain whether the risks outweigh the potential value. When you have a medical team of specialists telling you it puts you at too much risk at this time, you tend to listen.

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Not necessarily.

It would really depend on the health issues behind the non-vaccination recommendation. I have been advised not to have the vaccination for several health reasons - but I am NOT considered disabled.

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Old Aug 1st 2021, 7:16 pm
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Some auto-immune disorders will prevent people from being able to get vaccines, however they are not disabled, and may have very good careers as well, so perplexing anyone would think not being able to vaccinate to a health issue somehow means they are disabled.

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Not necessarily.

It would really depend on the health issues behind the non-vaccination recommendation. I have been advised not to have the vaccination for several health reasons - but I am NOT considered disabled.
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Old Aug 1st 2021, 10:11 pm
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Interesting latest info from local news source here and i quote:
The most recent geographical data from the BC CDC shows the daily infection case rate in parts of Kelowna has skyrocketed to levels only seen in the worst hit parts of Surrey during the peak of the third wave this spring.

Downtown Kelowna has been the worst hit, with an average daily infection rate of 40 cases per 100,000 between July 23 and July 29. This works out to more than 100 new infections over that week period in Downtown Kelowna alone
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Some auto-immune disorders will prevent people from being able to get vaccines, however they are not disabled, and may have very good careers as well, so perplexing anyone would think not being able to vaccinate to a health issue somehow means they are disabled.

If a person cannot work through a medical condition then they have a disability. If employers require covid vaccinations, correctly in my view, then they bestow a disability upon the people who cannot have vaccinations.
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Some auto-immune disorders will prevent people from being able to get vaccines, however they are not disabled, and may have very good careers as well, so perplexing anyone would think not being able to vaccinate to a health issue somehow means they are disabled.
if a condition prevents someone from taking part in day to day activities then they have a disability. Disabilities can be permanent or temporary, if COVID means you can't leave the house, go to the shops, go to work, interact with people, then you have a disability.

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If a person cannot work through a medical condition then they have a disability. If employers require covid vaccinations, correctly in my view, then they bestow a disability upon the people who cannot have vaccinations.
Just because someone is unable to receive the vaccine it doesn't mean they have a medical condition that precludes working (in some capacity); under Ontario rules they would not be classed as having a disability.
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if a condition prevents someone from taking part in day to day activities then they have a disability. Disabilities can be permanent or temporary, if COVID means you can't leave the house, go to the shops, go to work, interact with people, then you have a disability.
A health condition that precludes vaccination doesn't make somebody physically incapable of leaving the house. I can leave the house, I could go to the shops, I could go to work (if I had a job), I could interact with peope - vaccinated or not! I'm not disabled just because I am unable to be vaccinated at this time.

Good luck to our esteemed members if they try to put in a claim for ODSP, based on their inability to be vaccinated... https://www.cleo.on.ca/en/publicatio...-my-disability

To get income support from ODSP, most people must meet the ODSP definition of a "person with a disability".

This means that an approved health professional, such as a doctor, confirms that:
  • you have a physical or mental health problem that is expected to last a year or more, and
  • your health problem limits your ability to work, look after yourself, or do daily activities at home or in the community.
The law also says that your health problem must be substantial and it must limit your abilities in a substantial way.

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