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Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
No no no don't go away - a forum is just that - a place for people to give their opinions. Mine is mine and yours is yours, we are both right in our own opinions (thats why they are our own!) and also free to give them.
Don't be offended, there was no harm meant - but it is an emotive subject to deal with and bringing up such will obviously cause friction! Come on lets jump to the "a man called Susan thread" and talk about mens willys! :thumbsup: |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
Originally Posted by mandymoochops
(Post 6138260)
No no no don't go away - a forum is just that - a place for people to give their opinions. Mine is mine and yours is yours, we are both right in our own opinions (thats why they are our own!) and also free to give them.
Don't be offended, there was no harm meant - but it is an emotive subject to deal with and bringing up such will obviously cause friction! Come on lets jump to the "a man called Susan thread" and talk about mens willys! :thumbsup: :wub:Charlie:wub: |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
Originally Posted by Biiiiink
(Post 6128124)
On a positive note, the McCartneys won't be visiting Canada this time.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
Originally Posted by mandymoochops
(Post 6138260)
No no no don't go away - a forum is just that - a place for people to give their opinions. Mine is mine and yours is yours, we are both right in our own opinions (thats why they are our own!) and also free to give them.
Don't be offended, there was no harm meant - but it is an emotive subject to deal with and bringing up such will obviously cause friction! Come on lets jump to the "a man called Susan thread" and talk about mens willys! :thumbsup: Thanks Mandy |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
Originally Posted by mandymoochops
(Post 6137061)
People will do what they want - it is that simple. So if they club baby seals to death then they will carry on doing it and no amount of reading wine labels to see if it contains grapes or what have you is going to change that.
Being a vegan /nearly vegan or vegitarian, does not make anyone holier than thou, and as I said above won't change what some see as a cruel pastime for want of a better word. Judy is right with her first statement (as usual!) so basically accept that it happens here or shut up. |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
I hate this assumption that just because its men with sticks and the animals sometimes move for a while after they are killed that in some way its "cruel"
Its only the fact that our society isolates us from the way livestock animals are treated that makes people think that it is. I dont have a problem with people "using" animals as long as they are treated with respect, you could argue that our exploiting other species is what separates us from the animals in the first place. And from what I have read the question of cruelty seems to be as much a knee jerk reaction to fact that this is going on out in the open in plain view, rather than safely behind abattoir doors. This is a part of the culture and way of life of many people in the maritimes, and in many cases provides income that is necessary to keep the smaller communities viable, so in that respect Judy is perfectly correct. I dont see any motivation for the hunters to be cruel, or any evidence that its cruel, other than the obviously striking visual images that jar with the nice sanitized life we now mostly lead. So Judy its right, it part of the landscape here, just like the fall Bambi bashing and the general hunting and fishing culture, so if you like Canada for other reasons, then you have to accept that it was basically only ever colonised by Europeans because it offered lots of interesting Furry mammals to kill and skin, and that in many parts of the country that still is part of the cultural tapestry. |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 6143520)
I hate this assumption that just because its men with sticks and the animals sometimes move for a while after they are killed that in some way its "cruel"
Its only the fact that our society isolates us from the way livestock animals are treated that makes people think that it is. I dont have a problem with people "using" animals as long as they are treated with respect, you could argue that our exploiting other species is what separates us from the animals in the first place. And from what I have read the question of cruelty seems to be as much a knee jerk reaction to fact that this is going on out in the open in plain view, rather than safely behind abattoir doors. This is a part of the culture and way of life of many people in the maritimes, and in many cases provides income that is necessary to keep the smaller communities viable, so in that respect Judy is perfectly correct. I dont see any motivation for the hunters to be cruel, or any evidence that its cruel, other than the obviously striking visual images that jar with the nice sanitized life we now mostly lead. So Judy its right, it part of the landscape here, just like the fall Bambi bashing and the general hunting and fishing culture, so if you like Canada for other reasons, then you have to accept that it was basically only ever colonised by Europeans because it offered lots of interesting Furry mammals to kill and skin, and that in many parts of the country that still is part of the cultural tapestry. The seal hunt IS dreadfully cruel........the facts speak for themselves. Please let's not be under any misapprehension about the reasons for the seal hunt.....it is for their fur. The meat is NOT used, the carcasses are usally left to rot on the ice. The method of killing is not humane........often they are shot from moving boats and are wounded first. The Canadian gob=vernment deducts a small amount of money for each bullet hole found, so often a wounded animal is left to suffer and die slowly. http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/p...ian_seal_hunt/ This is NOT a humane practice and cannot be condoned by any right thinking person. Just because something is "tradition" does not make it right.......I gave some examples of "tradition" in my previous post. |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
Originally Posted by oldbag
(Post 6143589)
The seal hunt IS dreadfully cruel........the facts speak for themselves.
Please let's not be under any misapprehension about the reasons for the seal hunt.....it is for their fur. The meat is NOT used, the carcasses are usally left to rot on the ice. The method of killing is not humane........often they are shot from moving boats and are wounded first. The Canadian gob=vernment deducts a small amount of money for each bullet hole found, so often a wounded animal is left to suffer and die slowly. http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/p...ian_seal_hunt/ This is NOT a humane practice and cannot be condoned by any right thinking person. Just because something is "tradition" does not make it right.......I gave some examples of "tradition" in my previous post. |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
Originally Posted by oldbag
(Post 6143589)
The seal hunt IS dreadfully cruel........the facts speak for themselves.
Please let's not be under any misapprehension about the reasons for the seal hunt.....it is for their fur. The meat is NOT used, the carcasses are usally left to rot on the ice. The method of killing is not humane........often they are shot from moving boats and are wounded first. The Canadian gob=vernment deducts a small amount of money for each bullet hole found, so often a wounded animal is left to suffer and die slowly. http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/p...ian_seal_hunt/ This is NOT a humane practice and cannot be condoned by any right thinking person. Just because something is "tradition" does not make it right.......I gave some examples of "tradition" in my previous post. I dont recall if it was the organisation you are quoting or a different one that was caught bending the truth to suit its own fund raising ends as discussed in last years (or the year befores...I forget) heather mills related thread. "In the Gulf of St. Lawrence, clubs and hakapiks are the killing implement of choice, and in the Front, guns are more widely used" notice that "more widely used" does not equate to "often" I contend that the fuss over the seal hunt is completely out of proportion with the harm, real or imagined, that is done (and Im sure that some seals do suffer). But its high profile, makes for striking images and liberates hundred of thousands of dollars from city dwelling bleeding heart liberals who are divorced from the reality of agriculture, and that is the real reason why it continues to be newsworthy year in year out. The bottom line is that a picture of seal blood on the ice raises a lot more money than picketing a horse processing plant in Alberta or Quebec. Would the introduction of a more humaine and reliable way of killing the seals result in the press leaving this story alone? Personaly I dont think so, because its really not about that, its about a knee jerking wringing of hands about the awfull blood on the nice clean ice. Its hypocracy and nothing more for the (Im guessing) 99% of the naysayers who eat commercially produced meat. |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
I prefer Elephants and they're about to be culled in some place in africa and no one hears anything about that...there not going to be eaten or used for clothing,,just shot and killed, personnally I find that more barbaric than making seal pie and feeding/clothing the kids.
On a culling note they stopped a cull of starving Kangaroos in Canbarra Aus and they're already dying....It happens all the time for all sorts of reasons you just hear about the fluffy seals cos there fluffy! |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 6143643)
Except as it for fur why would you shoot them and put holes in the pelt. Makes no sense...thats why they are clubbed...more chance of a decent pelt. No one ever said it was for meat (apart from the occasional newfie flipper pie), its entirely about money, just as it was in the case of the beaver 200, 300 years ago.
The organisation you are quoting has a looooong history of bending the truth to suit its own fund raising ends as discussed in last years (or the year befores...I forget) heather mills related thread. "In the Gulf of St. Lawrence, clubs and hakapiks are the killing implement of choice, and in the Front, guns are more widely used" notice that "more widely used" does not equate to "often" I contenet that the fuss over the sel hunt is completely out of proportion with the harm, real or imagined, that is done (and Im sure that some seals do suffer). But its high profile, makes for striking images and liberates hundred of thousands of dollars from city dwelling bleeding heart liberals who are divorced from the reality of agriculture, and that is the real reason why it continues to be newsworthy year in year out. The bottom line is that a picture of seal blood on the ice raises a lot more money than picketing a horse processing plant in Alberta. |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
Originally Posted by Littletashy
(Post 6143705)
I prefer Elephants and they're about to be culled in some place in africa and no one hears anything about that...
- too many elephants leads to habitat destruction and potential starvation - lack of international cooperation leads to the National Parks not being linked and so confined herds of elephants in some places and a shortage of elephants in others Overall the isn't enough money to distribute and manage the elephants. |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
One thing I learned in academia is that its amazing how often researchers finds conclusions that support the views and aims of the people funding the research. Its human nature to show data in the light that best facilitates getting a new research grant when your contract is up (Aint I cynical;) ) Or in other words; "independent" researchers very seldom bite the hand that feeds them, and on the odd occasion that there is nothing "useful" to report, more often than not, nothing is reported.
An alternate way to look at this is that there are two views on offer;
Are you going to believe the organisation that
Ask yourself who has most to gain by peddaling their party line? |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 6143745)
An alternate way to look at this is that there are two views on offer;
Or we can all hold hands and ask, "WWFSMD?" |
Re: Canadians and the Seal Hunt...
Originally Posted by hot wasabi peas
(Post 6143792)
Or we can all hold hands and ask, "WWFSMD?"
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