Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6128102)

Animals don't have rights, they're not subject to laws.

Originally Posted by Tanah (Post 6128155)

Alot of criminals dont think they are subject to laws either but they get rights lol

( in the tone of not biting ):rofl:

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6128192)

Criminals have rights because they're human.

More to the point, animal cruelty is condoned in Canada, it's part of the culture and whole industries (e.g. PMU farms, horse slaughter) flourish here and in Mexico because animal cruelty is acceptable here in a way that it's not the US. Canada is an odd destination for someone concerned about a few furry creatures getting their heads bashed in.

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6128192)

. Canada is an odd destination for someone concerned about a few furry creatures getting their heads bashed in.

Originally Posted by Eve N (Post 6127914)

Yeah ,its just how its done.When you look at the world around you and see how other so called 'thirdworld 'cultures kill it is always done with so much respect and thought concerning the animal.Was watching Ray Meers Bushcrafts. He was in Africa watching a 3 tribal hunters track a kudo all day long,the animal just gave up in the end and laid down he just couldnt run any longer,it was killed but so humanly.. the hunter sat down next to it and thanked it for dying for him, it made me cry not because it lost its life but there was so much respect in those final seconds between animal and man.. it was peaceful.

No peace out there on the ice.

Originally Posted by Tanah (Post 6128301)

I get the feeling its something you feel strongly about

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 6129245)

Finally, one could argue that Seal as a fur is a more environmentally sustainable product than Goretex & Nylon. It was a hoot watching Heather Usedtobe McCartney brandishing her PVC boots with glee a couple of years ago on Larry King Live whilst bigging up her eco-friendliness.

Originally Posted by Arris (Post 6129187)

But they like veal & Fois Gras :confused:

Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary (Post 6128036)

Well, you won't want to eat any meat when you move to Canada, then.

A cow that lives with 100,000 other cows in a feed lot or a chicken that lives in a barn with 10,000 other chickens lives in conditions of sheer hell.

While you're about it, better not wear any leather or wool either. It's quite a feat to accomplish in Canada. I've actually tried it.

Your other option, if you eschew leather, is to buy cheap, synthetic shoes and handbags. The problem with them, unfortunately, is that they're made in Third World countries, in sweat shops, and often with child labour.

Have you heard about the ships on which live Australian sheep are sent to the Middle East, when they've finished producing wool, so that they can be slaughtered by methods that are consistent with the requirements of Muslims' halal rules? Something like 80% of the world's wool comes from Australia and, if you buy anything made of wool, you're almost certainly supporting that industry.

Don't wear anything made of down either. Geese are plucked 4 or 5 times during their lifetimes, and it's a very painful process for them.

Silk is out, of course. It's painful for silk worms to be boiled to death.

A fish suffers when it's harvested, either with a painful hook or drawn out of the water with a net. The feeling it has when it comes out of the water is the equivalent feeling that we get when we're held under water.

Then there is human encroachment on natural habitat that deprives species of their livelihood. Have you witnessed the violence that's involved when humans go in and tear up a natural space (by plowing it for agriculture or whatever)? I have, and I can tell you it's not a pretty picture.

Then there's unnecessary animal testing of cosmetics, drugs, etc.

The military establishments of many countries also carry out very cruel testing on animals. The USA, for example, has subjected tens of thousands of primates to various conditions, such as radiation sickness, in an attempt to predict how long humans could continue to operate planes, tanks, etc., under a variety of circumstances.

Your husband is a chef. I hope he doesn't use veal and foie gras in his cooking. Clubbing a seal pup to death is humane by comparison.

If you have a shred of internal consistency, you'll at least pay three times as much and buy free range chicken and beef when you move to Canada.
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Originally Posted by oldbag (Post 6129339)

You're right, Judy, it is quite a feat, and much more difficult in Canada than in the UK, but it can be done.....I have been a vegetarian for over thirty years, do not wear leather, wool or silk. There are many pitfalls, many of which you have listed.........toothpaste contains animal by-products as do many biscuits, ice-creams and yogurts. I'm that annoting woman in the supermarket who reads all the ables of new products! Yes, I know it's eccentric, but I like to think I do nothing to contribute to the misery of the animals with whom we share this planet.