Originally Posted by oldbag (Post 6132552)

Judging by this comment you obviously haven't read the link I provided, which is fine, but don't make rash comments. Veal is NOT "just beef slaughtered....". :(

If anyone is interested in learning about the lives of animals raised on farms, read Jeffrey Moussieff Masson's book "The Pig Who Sang to the Moon"

Originally Posted by Flogger (Post 6132752)

Yes i did read the link but you are missing my point.veal is a term to describe beef from a calf.Think lamb as apposed to mutton.you are fixated with the crate production system which is not the whole industry. I see you are a vegetarian but are you also a vegan? If not maybe you should consider that milk cows require a calf every year of which 50% will be male (you can't milk the boy ones) and as they come from dairy stock they are not suitable for beef stock.

Originally Posted by Flogger (Post 6132752)

Yes i did read the link but you are missing my point.veal is a term to describe beef from a calf.Think lamb as apposed to mutton.you are fixated with the crate production system which is not the whole industry. I see you are a vegetarian but are you also a vegan? If not maybe you should consider that milk cows require a calf every year of which 50% will be male (you can't milk the boy ones) and as they come from dairy stock they are not suitable for beef stock.

Originally Posted by oldbag (Post 6133415)

I am a vegetarian who doesn't use dairy milk or cheese, but I eat eggs occasionally, therefore I am not strictly a vegan. I stopped using dairy milk many years ago when I learned about the horrors of the dairy milk industry. I have been vegetarian for more than half my (quite) long and healthy life....and no, I am not "fixated with the crate production system", what I am concerned about is ANY form of cruelty to animals, no matter how many legs they have, or don't have.

Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary (Post 6128036)

Well, you won't want to eat any meat when you move to Canada, then.

A cow that lives with 100,000 other cows in a feed lot or a chicken that lives in a barn with 10,000 other chickens lives in conditions of sheer hell.

While you're about it, better not wear any leather or wool either. It's quite a feat to accomplish in Canada. I've actually tried it.

Your other option, if you eschew leather, is to buy cheap, synthetic shoes and handbags. The problem with them, unfortunately, is that they're made in Third World countries, in sweat shops, and often with child labour.

Have you heard about the ships on which live Australian sheep are sent to the Middle East, when they've finished producing wool, so that they can be slaughtered by methods that are consistent with the requirements of Muslims' halal rules? Something like 80% of the world's wool comes from Australia and, if you buy anything made of wool, you're almost certainly supporting that industry.

Don't wear anything made of down either. Geese are plucked 4 or 5 times during their lifetimes, and it's a very painful process for them.

Silk is out, of course. It's painful for silk worms to be boiled to death.

A fish suffers when it's harvested, either with a painful hook or drawn out of the water with a net. The feeling it has when it comes out of the water is the equivalent feeling that we get when we're held under water.

Then there is human encroachment on natural habitat that deprives species of their livelihood. Have you witnessed the violence that's involved when humans go in and tear up a natural space (by plowing it for agriculture or whatever)? I have, and I can tell you it's not a pretty picture.

Then there's unnecessary animal testing of cosmetics, drugs, etc.

The military establishments of many countries also carry out very cruel testing on animals. The USA, for example, has subjected tens of thousands of primates to various conditions, such as radiation sickness, in an attempt to predict how long humans could continue to operate planes, tanks, etc., under a variety of circumstances.

Your husband is a chef. I hope he doesn't use veal and foie gras in his cooking. Clubbing a seal pup to death is humane by comparison.

If you have a shred of internal consistency, you'll at least pay three times as much and buy free range chicken and beef when you move to Canada.
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Originally Posted by Eve N (Post 6133906)

.... I simply wanted to know what most canadians are talking about over there at the moment concerning the hunts.

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6128102)

Animals don't have rights, they're not subject to laws.

Originally Posted by steve666 (Post 6134264)

Human laws. Let's be specific on this.

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6134457)

Is there an International Court of Bovine Rights? Can pigs articulate the concept of freedom? I think not, they have no laws.

Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary (Post 6128036)

Well, you won't want to eat any meat when you move to Canada, then.

A cow that lives with 100,000 other cows in a feed lot or a chicken that lives in a barn with 10,000 other chickens lives in conditions of sheer hell.

While you're about it, better not wear any leather or wool either. It's quite a feat to accomplish in Canada. I've actually tried it.

Your other option, if you eschew leather, is to buy cheap, synthetic shoes and handbags. The problem with them, unfortunately, is that they're made in Third World countries, in sweat shops, and often with child labour.

Have you heard about the ships on which live Australian sheep are sent to the Middle East, when they've finished producing wool, so that they can be slaughtered by methods that are consistent with the requirements of Muslims' halal rules? Something like 80% of the world's wool comes from Australia and, if you buy anything made of wool, you're almost certainly supporting that industry.

Don't wear anything made of down either. Geese are plucked 4 or 5 times during their lifetimes, and it's a very painful process for them.

Silk is out, of course. It's painful for silk worms to be boiled to death.

A fish suffers when it's harvested, either with a painful hook or drawn out of the water with a net. The feeling it has when it comes out of the water is the equivalent feeling that we get when we're held under water.

Then there is human encroachment on natural habitat that deprives species of their livelihood. Have you witnessed the violence that's involved when humans go in and tear up a natural space (by plowing it for agriculture or whatever)? I have, and I can tell you it's not a pretty picture.

Then there's unnecessary animal testing of cosmetics, drugs, etc.

The military establishments of many countries also carry out very cruel testing on animals. The USA, for example, has subjected tens of thousands of primates to various conditions, such as radiation sickness, in an attempt to predict how long humans could continue to operate planes, tanks, etc., under a variety of circumstances.

Your husband is a chef. I hope he doesn't use veal and foie gras in his cooking. Clubbing a seal pup to death is humane by comparison.

If you have a shred of internal consistency, you'll at least pay three times as much and buy free range chicken and beef when you move to Canada.
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Originally Posted by purple80 (Post 6134502)

Originally Posted by hot wasabi peas (Post 6134508)

"Wrong life can not be lived rightly" - Adorno (helps me)

Originally Posted by hot wasabi peas (Post 6134508)

"Wrong life can not be lived rightly" - Adorno (helps me)

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6134512)

A writer of fortune cookie inserts?

Originally Posted by steve666 (Post 6134522)

Oh so this is where you are, where's the bloody dinner!!!

A bit of cheese and a cracker does not constitute a daily meal. I'm going back to Ottawa.