5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
Dec 7th 2008, 2:17 pm
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
Seriously, I don't think minister has the ultimate power to decide $2000~$4000's fate. I assume that he might have done his best for us but some other force who has privilege to make decision have came up different opinion.
I suggest our delegates should get in touch with the official that they met in Canberra first. If he reply us in a positive tone again. That means we still have chance. If we received no response and explainsion for the entire delay. That means DIAC is not determined to resolve it. Afterwards we will have no choice to register a law case claiming for our unfair treatment.
I suggest our delegates should get in touch with the official that they met in Canberra first. If he reply us in a positive tone again. That means we still have chance. If we received no response and explainsion for the entire delay. That means DIAC is not determined to resolve it. Afterwards we will have no choice to register a law case claiming for our unfair treatment.
Dec 7th 2008, 8:19 pm
#857
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
I just can't understand why our case officers asked us for medicals during the second half of 2008? Why did they ask us to go and outlay more expenses on the application if it was going to be for nothing? As George says, it's such a simple matter really and all we need is one state to agree to accept the investments again. It would also be very simple for Government to ensure this happened. My opinion for what it is worth is that there is no intention to resolve this issue, government is cheesed off that a group of people were using the bond option as a loophole, and possibly fears that there are still some such characters among the affected applicants.
In a response letter to my complaint to the minister which I received today the affected applicants were in one paragraph referred to as "cohorts" and then in another paragraph it was mentioned that there were some who had applied for points in good faith. The word cohorts has negative connotations even by dictionary definition.
The letter basically just referred me to the what's new section again.
There is little justice in this world guys so we really should not be surprised that this has happened. However, if this visa application is not approved in the end and we are not refunded I doubt I will bother reapplying (although I do have enough points now with the new rules) after the way we have been treated. I'll just take my chances in Africa, at least it is the land of my birth (with many, many, many warts) after all there are many minority groups still holding out in Zimbabwe after all these years of turmoil.
SA is still a good place in many respects. It's just a pity about the eroding infrastructure, reverse racism and violent crime which prevents us from ever letting down our guard in public places.
By the way, my agents also believe that there is no intention to address the issue and that there will be no resolution in the near future. I am beyond caring now, but it would be nice to have either a resolution or a refund.
In a response letter to my complaint to the minister which I received today the affected applicants were in one paragraph referred to as "cohorts" and then in another paragraph it was mentioned that there were some who had applied for points in good faith. The word cohorts has negative connotations even by dictionary definition.
The letter basically just referred me to the what's new section again.
There is little justice in this world guys so we really should not be surprised that this has happened. However, if this visa application is not approved in the end and we are not refunded I doubt I will bother reapplying (although I do have enough points now with the new rules) after the way we have been treated. I'll just take my chances in Africa, at least it is the land of my birth (with many, many, many warts) after all there are many minority groups still holding out in Zimbabwe after all these years of turmoil.
SA is still a good place in many respects. It's just a pity about the eroding infrastructure, reverse racism and violent crime which prevents us from ever letting down our guard in public places.
By the way, my agents also believe that there is no intention to address the issue and that there will be no resolution in the near future. I am beyond caring now, but it would be nice to have either a resolution or a refund.
I think the only way to make them act is to sue the department.
The courts can’t force the Treasuries to accept our money or force the department to waive five points.
But at least, it will ask the ministry/department to not take these applicants for a never-ending ride. Most of the applicants have incurred at least five thousand dollars. All up we have spent more than ten million dollars. All we are getting in return is total crap from the department/ministry. Why should we suffer from the cold feet syndrome being experienced by the Treasuries?
What kind of organisation is this? If a Qantas aircraft is grounded due to some technical fault, they will ensure that the affected passengers are accommodated on some other carrier or on the next available flight. They won't say to the passengers "this is a complex issue and we are considering options". Keep on waiting, and we don't know how long before the replacement flight arrives.
Let’s not waste further time by contacting the adviser to minister. He will dish out further lies.
Let’s regroup once again and approach the Courts for justice. If they don’t want to give us the visas, then let them say so, and give back to us every dollar we have spent on application, medical, English test, etc.
The only other option is to wait and before we know it, NYE 2010 (not 2009) will be upon us.
Dec 7th 2008, 9:09 pm
#858
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
Hi Selah,
I think that the lawyers have more to do with a solution than the politicians at the moment. The question is whether the newly available bonds are satisfactory - not only in terms of Commonwealth policy but also in terms of commercial viability.
Cheers,
George Lombard
I think that the lawyers have more to do with a solution than the politicians at the moment. The question is whether the newly available bonds are satisfactory - not only in terms of Commonwealth policy but also in terms of commercial viability.
Cheers,
George Lombard
Dec 8th 2008, 2:19 am
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
Sorry to interupt George !
Hi Elton,
I still suggest that we should contact the department officer for explainsion first before further action. And if we decide to register a case. Please think carefully how we are going to split the bill. Some might say that they agree to contribute money but they never did in the end.
May I ask who is keen to register a case around the forum?????
Hi Elton,
I still suggest that we should contact the department officer for explainsion first before further action. And if we decide to register a case. Please think carefully how we are going to split the bill. Some might say that they agree to contribute money but they never did in the end.
May I ask who is keen to register a case around the forum?????
Dec 8th 2008, 2:27 am
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
Sorry to interupt George !
Hi Elton,
I still suggest that we should contact the department officer for explainsion first before further action. And if we decide to register a case. Please think carefully how we are going to split the bill. Some might say that they agree to contribute money but they never did in the end.
May I ask who is keen to register a case around the forum?????
Hi Elton,
I still suggest that we should contact the department officer for explainsion first before further action. And if we decide to register a case. Please think carefully how we are going to split the bill. Some might say that they agree to contribute money but they never did in the end.
May I ask who is keen to register a case around the forum?????
Dec 8th 2008, 5:00 am
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
we have tried everything..we have not get anything..we should do something like they can here...i feel like to do protest or suicide.
Dec 8th 2008, 5:57 am
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
because life is important i am not sure weather u r bealiving in kama or not but i am and has suiside mention in geeta, kuran or bible i know u r from geeta so leave that way far back and go ahead with different option
Dec 8th 2008, 6:28 am
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
What all you guys need to do is to try and get a 176 State Sponsorship. Even if your nominated occupations are not on the current 176 sponsorship lists, the states currently have a quota that they can fill with ANY nomination if they can be persuaded why they should sponsor.
Demonstrate a passion to live in that state and local employer interest in your skills and approach the relevant state sponsorship body with a completed application.
You have absolutely nothing to loose and everything to gain.
Good luck!
Demonstrate a passion to live in that state and local employer interest in your skills and approach the relevant state sponsorship body with a completed application.
You have absolutely nothing to loose and everything to gain.
Good luck!
Dec 8th 2008, 6:55 am
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
What we have here...
"Officer jailed over sex-for-visa scam"
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...1-2702,00.html
What a system!!! Corrupt&sick!!!
Only 3 months for the disgusting, though how come thousands of innocent us have been 'imprisoned' for ages
"Officer jailed over sex-for-visa scam"
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...1-2702,00.html
What a system!!! Corrupt&sick!!!
Only 3 months for the disgusting, though how come thousands of innocent us have been 'imprisoned' for ages
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Dec 8th 2008, 7:04 am
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
That is so disgusting. People with a little bit of power abusing their positions.
It makes me think - one of the main reasons that I am immigrating is to escape the corrupt society that we live in! At least the difference between Australia and South Africa is that the guy got caught! Here the case would most likely have been thrown out due to mishandling of evidence or something like that!
It makes me think - one of the main reasons that I am immigrating is to escape the corrupt society that we live in! At least the difference between Australia and South Africa is that the guy got caught! Here the case would most likely have been thrown out due to mishandling of evidence or something like that!
Dec 8th 2008, 7:18 am
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
lets find someone to flirt a official for our approval. Haha, just kidding.
It is just some "good cops and bad cops" things. Hope ther is no currupted official involved in our cases' resolution.
It is just some "good cops and bad cops" things. Hope ther is no currupted official involved in our cases' resolution.
Dec 10th 2008, 3:10 am
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
It looks like people are already in the mood of Christmas, bearing in mind that we still have unfinished business, which won't be done merely with someone's clemency.
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!
Dec 10th 2008, 9:52 am
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
Hi Everyone,
As ministry is trying to explore its options, we need to explore our options to approach to the minister
Go to this link and fill the form with your story.
http://www.sharmanstone.com.au/Pages/Contact.aspx
Dr Sharman is a shadow minister for Immigration and Citizenship, she has done great job using her opposition power to get German Doctor a residency.
I think she will help us.
http://www.sharmanstone.com.au/Pages...le.aspx?ID=747
Please, Please, Please -
It is individual's responsibility to fight, it is time to unite and each of us should send Dr Sharman an email. One/few email doesn't give impression, we need to have many email to make her act on it. Time to talk has gone, time to do is passing quickly.
Please send me PM, Email or post on the forum so that I can track how many of us has send an email and if needed I can ask others to jump in the campaign.
As ministry is trying to explore its options, we need to explore our options to approach to the minister
Go to this link and fill the form with your story.
http://www.sharmanstone.com.au/Pages/Contact.aspx
Dr Sharman is a shadow minister for Immigration and Citizenship, she has done great job using her opposition power to get German Doctor a residency.
I think she will help us.
http://www.sharmanstone.com.au/Pages...le.aspx?ID=747
Please, Please, Please -
It is individual's responsibility to fight, it is time to unite and each of us should send Dr Sharman an email. One/few email doesn't give impression, we need to have many email to make her act on it. Time to talk has gone, time to do is passing quickly.
Please send me PM, Email or post on the forum so that I can track how many of us has send an email and if needed I can ask others to jump in the campaign.
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Dec 11th 2008, 11:51 pm
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Re: 5 points for Investment Bond withdrawn Sept 07?? (PART TWO)
Everyone,
Please write to Dr. Stone and explain your indivdual predicament, especially the personal/family suffering being experienced. Everyone has a story to tell, the more the merrier.
We need to pressurise the department and the ministry from all angles.
Let's leave no stone unturned, before the public servants disappear for X'mas and New year holidays.
2007 gone
2008 almost gone.
Let's hope 2009 brings better news for all of us.
Please write to Dr. Stone and explain your indivdual predicament, especially the personal/family suffering being experienced. Everyone has a story to tell, the more the merrier.
We need to pressurise the department and the ministry from all angles.
Let's leave no stone unturned, before the public servants disappear for X'mas and New year holidays.
2007 gone
2008 almost gone.
Let's hope 2009 brings better news for all of us.