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Old Aug 14th 2011 | 6:12 am
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Originally Posted by Bipat
Dread, when our local radio DJ (white) was sacked for his usual; lets say controversial statements. Shami defended him in Court. Must have enjoyed it as he continually insulted her previously.
A one off I am sure.
She is inflammatory and I dare say she would probably only have done so for the element of controversy - or if I were a cynic I may think it was tokenism on her part, for a fat fee of course. She is also in paid employment and sometimes will have to do what she would choose not to.
I have watched this woman speak on many occasions and her agenda leaves much to be desired. Go have an audience with her sometime....it is scary !

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Old Aug 14th 2011 | 8:59 am
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Bipat

I am glad to see you back on BE, I really am. However why are you only concerned with what the moderator and concierge thinks about Kent Detectives views? I think you are being a bit personal now, which is unnecessarily antagonistic....and unfair.
Why not ask everyone on here whether they agree with these views?

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Bipat was not the only one to find some of Kent Detective views objectionable and to find them to be racist. I was shocked to read one of his posts in particular and thought that it would be deleted by the moderators. I also was surprised when Noni said she agreed with 99% of his views.
 
Old Aug 14th 2011 | 9:06 am
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Originally Posted by k800mer
Bipat was not the only one to find some of Kent Detective views objectionable and to find them to be racist. I was shocked to read one of his posts in particular and thought that it would be deleted by the moderators. I also was surprised when Noni said she agreed with 99% of his views.
Sorry I still stand by my views! As Dread says it is the way people interpreted things.

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Old Aug 14th 2011 | 9:50 am
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Could you perhaps explain to us about Cascadia.
Well....you asked....

Cascadia is the name for the Pacific North-west area of North America (USA and Canada) it covers the states/provinces of Oregon and Washington in the USA and British Columbia (B.C.) in Canada; its named after the Cascadia Mountain Range, which includes a number of volcanoes, most notably Mount St Helens, which you may be familiar with from its 1980 eruption, explosion and part destruction. The Cascades run from BC to the northern area of California and are to the west of the better known Rockies. The major cities of the Cascadia region are Vancouver B.C., Seattle and Portland.

There is a small, ineffectual political movement for independence for the Cascadia region, but generally speaking the name is used to cover the cultural similarities covering many inhabitants of the area.

I now live in Seattle and while I can not say I feel part of America, I have developed a sense of connection and belonging to the city and the Cascade area in general.

p.s. my current avatar is the generally recognized flag of Cascadia, known as the 'Doug' (Douglas Fir)

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Old Aug 14th 2011 | 9:51 am
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Noni you asked for anybody that found Kent Detectives posts offensive to identify themselves; well you can add me to that list. Whilst some of what he says is quite correct ie the dis-proportionate number of non-whites involved in the riots; the fact is his posts are overtly racist and would in my view be sufficiently so to constitute a criminal offence. I find it quite sickening that anyone with those views, someone that uses a BNP video to further there argument, has been in a position of any authority for the last twenty years. Frankly I think anyone with views as expressed by Kent Detective is a disgrace to the police force and views like his combined with a position of authority are in my view, part of the cause of the civil unrest that we have seen. In truth I have my doubts as to whether or not he ever was a serving police officer, I can't believe that anyone could have survived in the police service for 20 years with the views as expressed on this forum.
 
Old Aug 14th 2011 | 10:03 am
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Originally Posted by SteveKingswear
Noni you asked for anybody that found Kent Detectives posts offensive to identify themselves; well you can add me to that list. Whilst some of what he says is quite correct ie the dis-proportionate number of non-whites involved in the riots; the fact is his posts are overtly racist and would in my view be sufficiently so to constitute a criminal offence. I find it quite sickening that anyone with those views, someone that uses a BNP video to further there argument, has been in a position of any authority for the last twenty years. Frankly I think anyone with views as expressed by Kent Detective is a disgrace to the police force and views like his combined with a position of authority are in my view, part of the cause of the civil unrest that we have seen. In truth I have my doubts as to whether or not he ever was a serving police officer, I can't believe that anyone could have survived in the police service for 20 years with the views as expressed on this forum.
Thanks - anyway back to the Riots themselves now
let us hope and pray the Riots are over and peace prevails.
 
Old Aug 14th 2011 | 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by SteveKingswear
Noni you asked for anybody that found Kent Detectives posts offensive to identify themselves; well you can add me to that list. Whilst some of what he says is quite correct ie the dis-proportionate number of non-whites involved in the riots; the fact is his posts are overtly racist and would in my view be sufficiently so to constitute a criminal offence. I find it quite sickening that anyone with those views, someone that uses a BNP video to further there argument, has been in a position of any authority for the last twenty years. Frankly I think anyone with views as expressed by Kent Detective is a disgrace to the police force and views like his combined with a position of authority are in my view, part of the cause of the civil unrest that we have seen. In truth I have my doubts as to whether or not he ever was a serving police officer, I can't believe that anyone could have survived in the police service for 20 years with the views as expressed on this forum.
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Old Aug 14th 2011 | 10:25 am
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No Johnny - I fully accept that some of what KD has said is right and I've said this, however the way that he has expressed his views are in my view extremely racist. Frankly if he has genuinely been a police officer for 20 years I find that frightening and in my view a combination of that position and those views are part of the problem not the solution.
 
Old Aug 14th 2011 | 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by SteveKingswear
Noni you asked for anybody that found Kent Detectives posts offensive to identify themselves; well you can add me to that list. Whilst some of what he says is quite correct ie the dis-proportionate number of non-whites involved in the riots; the fact is his posts are overtly racist and would in my view be sufficiently so to constitute a criminal offence. I find it quite sickening that anyone with those views, someone that uses a BNP video to further there argument, has been in a position of any authority for the last twenty years. Frankly I think anyone with views as expressed by Kent Detective is a disgrace to the police force and views like his combined with a position of authority are in my view, part of the cause of the civil unrest that we have seen. In truth I have my doubts as to whether or not he ever was a serving police officer, I can't believe that anyone could have survived in the police service for 20 years with the views as expressed on this forum.
Noni, I found Kent Detectives post offensive as well - as already expressed earlier.

To Johnny5 : since you ask, I am a forum member just like everyone else - is'nt that obvious ?? You call me pompous and accuse ME of personal attacks! How Dare YOU !

You can think what you like, but if you are trying to get me to leave the site because i'm not British, let me remind you this site is not unwelcome to canadians (correct me if im wrong Noni) - i chose to stay inspite of your vitriolic outbursts and can only feel sorry for what ever causes you to be so bitter and negative . by the way, trying to get someone to leave a forum is an attribute of a troll (see no 5 of this definition ) - so thats what 'you' are verging on.

and here is a defination of what a rant is - which accurately describes your previous posts following kent detectives original post which upset a lot of people and which had your full endorsement !

This is a discussion forum, not the Guardian, and I quite frankly I do not give a damn as to what a pompous Canadian hanging around on a British Expat forum thinks of my views.

Your words in bold a pure nonsense , Where to you get the right to describe my post as a rant? Because it disagrees with your views?
And as to my true colours........they are red, white and blue, without a hint of politically correct pink.
i'm done with wasting any more time/energy going to and fro debating this with you and will let this get back to topic

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Old Aug 14th 2011 | 6:41 pm
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Noni, I found Kent Detectives post offensive as well - as already expressed earlier.

To Johnny5 : since you ask, I am a forum member just like everyone else - is'nt that obvious ?? You call me pompous and accuse ME of personal attacks! How Dare YOU !

You can think what you like, but if you are trying to get me to leave the site because i'm not British, let me remind you this site is not unwelcome to canadians (correct me if im wrong Noni) - i chose to stay inspite of your vitriolic outbursts and can only feel sorry for what ever causes you to be so bitter and negative . by the way, trying to get someone to leave a forum is an attribute of a troll (see no 5 of this definition ) - so thats what 'you' are verging on.

and here is a defination of what a rant is - which accurately describes your previous posts following kent detectives original post which upset a lot of people and which had your full endorsement !



i'm done with wasting any more time/energy going to and fro debating this with you and will let this get back to topic

Oktata - everybody is welcome on any of BE forums, where ever you live, and is more than welcome to join in.

Everybody is entitled to their opinions whether it is liked by others or not. There would be no debate if everybody thought the same.
Personally I think that "racism" comments are read into some posts when they are not there, and interpretated by some members the wrong way.

Would I be condoning racism if I having purchased property in India, employed Indian staff, and socialized with them at every level - I think not.

Now lets get back to the topic in hand.
 
Old Aug 14th 2011 | 6:50 pm
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My son's the victim, says mother who faces eviction from her taxpayer-funded flat


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1V4suc7CG

Here we go again - violated his human rights!

London riots: mother of looter, 15, did not know where her son was at 3am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...as-at-3am.html

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Old Aug 14th 2011 | 8:24 pm
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Originally Posted by SteveKingswear
No Johnny - I fully accept that some of what KD has said is right and I've said this, however the way that he has expressed his views are in my view extremely racist. Frankly if he has genuinely been a police officer for 20 years I find that frightening and in my view a combination of that position and those views are part of the problem not the solution.
Thats actually a perfect description, thanks.

Unfortunately the second part may well have had some bearing on the situation. I used to work to some extent with Police officers and unfortunately the ones I dealt with did tend to be fairly racist. Now if that was what I picked up, what the black community must think I dont know.
 
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Originally Posted by noni
563 people arrested and in cells in London!

Open looting!

Children as young as 10 on the streets. Where are the parents?

Armoured vehicles on London Roads.

Rioting last night in Leeds, Liverpool, Bristol, Birmingham etc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-citizens.html
These kind of situations could have been avoided if Police acted swiftly in the intial phase.

Red-Tapism is something which made situation go out of hand.
 
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Oktata - everybody is welcome on any of BE forums, where ever you live, and is more than welcome to join in.

Everybody is entitled to their opinions whether it is liked by others or not. There would be no debate if everybody thought the same.
Personally I think that "racism" comments are read into some posts when they are not there, and interpretated by some members the wrong way.

Would I be condoning racism if I having purchased property in India, employed Indian staff, and socialized with them at every level - I think not.

Now lets get back to the topic in hand.
thanks noni
 
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Who are the others that find it unacceptable, they have not come forward.?
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Actually we have noni and your response was at best patronising but probably better described as rude! A cursory 'Thanks for that. Now back to the riots.........

In fact on reflection it was both patronising and rude.

What has amazed me is how as a moderator you have not been able to seperate your personal views from your duties as a moderator. I for one have found your absolute support for Kent Detectives (if in fact he ever was a police officer, let alone a detective) uncompromisingly racist views and comments quite abhorrant. But I suppose birds of a feather.........
 


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