UK RIOTS
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[QUOTE=Bipat;9558345]
Steve, if you read the Uk newspapers you will see that a great many of the rioters are not on benefits, (you seem if I may say, obsessed with benefits) some were even from very wealthy backgrounds and for them it is the criminal conviction that will ruin their lives. It is a very complex issue as to why so many young people were involved in this episode with the tragic outcome for so many.
Just looked at the riots on youtube, maybe they were from wealthy backgrounds, but many looked black and Asian to me, before i get flamed, yes they can still be from wealthy backgrounds..
Steve, if you read the Uk newspapers you will see that a great many of the rioters are not on benefits, (you seem if I may say, obsessed with benefits) some were even from very wealthy backgrounds and for them it is the criminal conviction that will ruin their lives. It is a very complex issue as to why so many young people were involved in this episode with the tragic outcome for so many.
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No as i said i lived and worked in a multi racial area, so i know 1000s, but i just know the full story of this Goan family arriving in the UK, and living on the great benefit system without ever paying one penny into the system.
The others i didnt know the full story, only they lived on benefits.
Still no rea
son to riot!!!
The others i didnt know the full story, only they lived on benefits.
Still no rea
son to riot!!!
#95
To Dread and Noni
I absolutely agree with your above posts.
What a few of us were objecting too was the way that Kent Detective was using this forum as a platform for his views that UK should be for "White Christians" only, that all others were from "alien cultures", and had spoilt his country. I assume he was including Jewish people amongst these. (Perhaps his posts need to be read in detail to pick this up).
As Noni would say he is entitled to his views, but is it surprising that those of us associated with "alien cultures" might feel the urge to express a view?
I would be interested as to whether you both agree with his views?
The victims of these riots have all been amazingly brave and none have fanned the flames of racism.
I absolutely agree with your above posts.
What a few of us were objecting too was the way that Kent Detective was using this forum as a platform for his views that UK should be for "White Christians" only, that all others were from "alien cultures", and had spoilt his country. I assume he was including Jewish people amongst these. (Perhaps his posts need to be read in detail to pick this up).
As Noni would say he is entitled to his views, but is it surprising that those of us associated with "alien cultures" might feel the urge to express a view?
I would be interested as to whether you both agree with his views?
The victims of these riots have all been amazingly brave and none have fanned the flames of racism.
Bipat
Why do you feel the need to ask whether Noni and I agree with Kent Detectives posts? Are you deliberately trying to be inflammatory?
Whether I agree or disagree with his views is absolutely none of yours or anyone elses business, unless I CHOOSE to divulge that information.
Please do not try and manipulate this thread by throwing down such gauntlets in my direction. If you read my attached post you will find that IU have already made my views on the current events extremely clear.
For the record your views on Kent Detective's posts are an interpretation only. He is going to have a different viewpoint to you and some others for the simple reason that he has spent the last 20 plus years dealing with these issues, and other societal issues, at a particular level, where he has seen the worst elements and the worst consequences -something which you and some others have not. Just because his views do not concur with your own does not justify him being labelled as racist. If you actually read his posts, there are many different interpretations which can be formed from them.
You might care to accept that peoples' opinions and views are generally formed from their life experiences - just like your views are. Too many people are ready to judgementally label people as racists without actually trying to stand in the other persons shoes first !
Dread - x
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[QUOTE=dreadsoc;9558401]Bipat
Why do you feel the need to ask whether Noni and I agree with Kent Detectives posts? Are you deliberately trying to be inflammatory?
Whether I agree or disagree with his views is absolutely none of yours or anyone elses business, unless I CHOOSE to divulge that information.
Please do not try and manipulate this thread by throwing down such gauntlets in my direction. If you read my attached post you will find that IU have already made my views on the current events extremely clear.
For the record your views on Kent Detective's posts are an interpretation only. He is going to have a different viewpoint to you and some others for the simple reason that he has spent the last 20 plus years dealing with these issues, and other societal issues, at a particular level, where he has seen the worst elements and the worst consequences -something which you and some others have not. Just because his views do not concur with your own does not justify him being labelled as racist. If you actually read his posts, there are many different interpretations which can be formed from them.
Actually I have Dread. and for longer. I think if you actually read all of Kent Detective's posts his message is quite clear, and it is not just myself who finds his views unacceptable.
Why do you feel the need to ask whether Noni and I agree with Kent Detectives posts? Are you deliberately trying to be inflammatory?
Whether I agree or disagree with his views is absolutely none of yours or anyone elses business, unless I CHOOSE to divulge that information.
Please do not try and manipulate this thread by throwing down such gauntlets in my direction. If you read my attached post you will find that IU have already made my views on the current events extremely clear.
For the record your views on Kent Detective's posts are an interpretation only. He is going to have a different viewpoint to you and some others for the simple reason that he has spent the last 20 plus years dealing with these issues, and other societal issues, at a particular level, where he has seen the worst elements and the worst consequences -something which you and some others have not. Just because his views do not concur with your own does not justify him being labelled as racist. If you actually read his posts, there are many different interpretations which can be formed from them.
Actually I have Dread. and for longer. I think if you actually read all of Kent Detective's posts his message is quite clear, and it is not just myself who finds his views unacceptable.
Last edited by Bipat; Aug 13th 2011 at 10:37 pm.
#97
Just got a message on my Blackberry there was a riot here !!! 
I do think that a complete lack of respect exists, wether that has been caused by things like Bankers, MP's escaping downright theft charges, the common citizen going to jail, but these people paying back a percentage, and still maintaining their status.
The Afro- Carribean woman screaming at Mr Camerron, asking what other country he knew, where a citizen would stand before a policeman, made me think even as a teen one would show respect, ha,ha even taking your hands out of your pocket. Because you knew he would embarass you in front of your friends with a clip round the head. Watching in India a good friend bowing and sir, to a policeman shocked me, but understood.
And lastly partly racial, what a great example of why some immigrants should be welcomed, the man that had his son , mown down by the car that killed two others. A working man, with great courage and a sense of right and wrong.

I do think that a complete lack of respect exists, wether that has been caused by things like Bankers, MP's escaping downright theft charges, the common citizen going to jail, but these people paying back a percentage, and still maintaining their status.

The Afro- Carribean woman screaming at Mr Camerron, asking what other country he knew, where a citizen would stand before a policeman, made me think even as a teen one would show respect, ha,ha even taking your hands out of your pocket. Because you knew he would embarass you in front of your friends with a clip round the head. Watching in India a good friend bowing and sir, to a policeman shocked me, but understood.
And lastly partly racial, what a great example of why some immigrants should be welcomed, the man that had his son , mown down by the car that killed two others. A working man, with great courage and a sense of right and wrong.
#98
Actually a Somali TV reporter has expressed worry about the lawlessness of some Somali young people and quite a number who are here illegally.
While you are on line Mitzy could I ask your view of the agreement of Moderator Noni with the view that UK should be "White Christian Only".
While you are on line Mitzy could I ask your view of the agreement of Moderator Noni with the view that UK should be "White Christian Only".
I am glad to see you back on BE, I really am. However why are you only concerned with what the moderator and concierge thinks about Kent Detectives views? I think you are being a bit personal now, which is unnecessarily antagonistic....and unfair.
Why not ask everyone on here whether they agree with these views?
Dread - x
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Bipat
I am glad to see you back on BE, I really am. However why are you only concerned with what the moderator and concierge thinks about Kent Detectives views? I think you are being a bit personal now, which is unnecessarily antagonistic....and unfair.
Why not ask everyone on here whether they agree with these views?
Dread - x
I am glad to see you back on BE, I really am. However why are you only concerned with what the moderator and concierge thinks about Kent Detectives views? I think you are being a bit personal now, which is unnecessarily antagonistic....and unfair.
Why not ask everyone on here whether they agree with these views?
Dread - x
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Bipat
I am glad to see you back on BE, I really am. However why are you only concerned with what the moderator and concierge thinks about Kent Detectives views? I think you are being a bit personal now, which is unnecessarily antagonistic....and unfair.
Why not ask everyone on here whether they agree with these views?
Dread - x
I am glad to see you back on BE, I really am. However why are you only concerned with what the moderator and concierge thinks about Kent Detectives views? I think you are being a bit personal now, which is unnecessarily antagonistic....and unfair.
Why not ask everyone on here whether they agree with these views?
Dread - x
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Do you think the UK will have more riots???.
I think Europe will have more riots??
The Germans are getting more than fed up, handing out money to the European countries in trouble, maybe the Germans next??.
I hope not.
I think Europe will have more riots??
The Germans are getting more than fed up, handing out money to the European countries in trouble, maybe the Germans next??.
I hope not.
#103
This was the important part, and if you read my original point (and all of his posts), I was stating the reason why a few of us (not just me) objected to Kent Detective's post is that he was using the forum as a platform for his 'white christian views' he even posts a BNP video item. He specifically states the view that UK has been spoilt from 1950s by Alien cultures coming in.
This was the 99% of his message the rest was just 'padding'.
Obviously anyone with their right mind is outraged by the mindless, lawless opportunistic violence and theft and yes too many black youths involved.
This was the 99% of his message the rest was just 'padding'.
Obviously anyone with their right mind is outraged by the mindless, lawless opportunistic violence and theft and yes too many black youths involved.
Maybe for you that was THE important part.
I personally thought there were many other parts to his posts, expressing a number of different aspects. Quite a number were just as important as that one.
I don't know if you are aware, but the term 'alien' is used in officialdom in the UK to mean 'Foreign', which is a very different meaning to that used in everyday terms. This term is usd in the Home Office and other Govt departments when referring to foreign persons.
Chances are, with his background, Kent Detective was using that term in its official sense, rather than as a derrogatory term.
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