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k800mer Feb 2nd 2013 7:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 10520704)
10% of Verma Commission ordinance recommendations not accepted by Government.
Wasted opportunity? What do others think?


http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/wo...-lateststories

Definitely a waste, the idea that rape is not rape if it is your husband that rapes you is so daft. They are missing a big opportunity to raise womans status from that of chattel, but thats men for you. spell check not working so sorry for any errors, never could spell.

noni Feb 2nd 2013 8:29 pm

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Secret refuge of the Love Commandos: Inside the safe house of Delhi group striving to save young couples from forced marriages and 'honour' killings
More than 1,000 murders every year linked to 'love relationships' in India



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/...#ixzz2JpJrvx98

Bipat Feb 2nd 2013 11:35 pm

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Originally Posted by k800mer (Post 10521783)
Definitely a waste, the idea that rape is not rape if it is your husband that rapes you is so daft. They are missing a big opportunity to raise womans status from that of chattel, but thats men for you. spell check not working so sorry for any errors, never could spell.

Agree with you, the exclusion of the armed forces another big negative.
On the other hand inclusion of stalking, and voyeurs a positive advance. In the end though it will depend on enforcement.

ruskin Feb 3rd 2013 2:39 am

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The intention and spirit of the Verma report has been totally ignored. If this becomes legislation , India will be the first country in the world to eradicate rape. All sexual crimes will be called sexual assault. So women will no longer be raped but assaulted. Bringing in the possibility of a death penalty which the Verma report advised against will make it more difficult for women to report for two reasons 1. They may fear extreme reprisals from their attackers and their families. 2. The perps. won’t want any witnesses so are more likely to kill their victim. Given that rape is a about power, in a country where caste is still very much alive women, particularly in rural areas may be even more unlikely to report rape. Therefore, the ordinance is regressive rather than progressive.
I suspect this is all about politics, the ordinance made on the basis of a bill that the congress coalition could get through and BJP have apparently agreed to support it. Some politicians are awaiting court cases on charges of rape (now to be known as sexual assault) and overall it is clear that the legislature are unwilling to protect women over their male dominated vote banks.
I think India should be ashamed of the lack of human rights afforded to half its citizens the women, though women do not constitute half the population because many are killed simply on the basis of gender. Why are they not adopting the bill of women’s rights suggested by Verma. Of course it will take time, however, it is time for all parties in parliament to indicate that they have a will working towards equality for women. The ordinance on the contrary suggests that they do not have the will to do so.
I hope the struggle of the ‘dented and painted women’ continues.
r

noni Feb 3rd 2013 4:01 am

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Originally Posted by ruskin (Post 10522316)
The intention and spirit of the Verma report has been totally ignored. If this becomes legislation , India will be the first country in the world to eradicate rape. All sexual crimes will be called sexual assault. So women will no longer be raped but assaulted. Bringing in the possibility of a death penalty which the Verma report advised against will make it more difficult for women to report for two reasons 1. They may fear extreme reprisals from their attackers and their families. 2. The perps. won’t want any witnesses so are more likely to kill their victim. Given that rape is a about power, in a country where caste is still very much alive women, particularly in rural areas may be even more unlikely to report rape. Therefore, the ordinance is regressive rather than progressive.
I suspect this is all about politics, the ordinance made on the basis of a bill that the congress coalition could get through and BJP have apparently agreed to support it. Some politicians are awaiting court cases on charges of rape (now to be known as sexual assault) and overall it is clear that the legislature are unwilling to protect women over their male dominated vote banks.
I think India should be ashamed of the lack of human rights afforded to half its citizens the women, though women do not constitute half the population because many are killed simply on the basis of gender. Why are they not adopting the bill of women’s rights suggested by Verma. Of course it will take time, however, it is time for all parties in parliament to indicate that they have a will working towards equality for women. The ordinance on the contrary suggests that they do not have the will to do so.
I hope the struggle of the ‘dented and painted women’ continues.
r



:goodpost: unfortunately things won't change in our lifetime.

Bipat Feb 3rd 2013 4:39 am

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Originally Posted by noni (Post 10522443)

Originally Posted by ruskin (Post 10522316)
The intention and spirit of the Verma report has been totally ignored. If this becomes legislation , India will be the first country in the world to eradicate rape. All sexual crimes will be called sexual assault. So women will no longer be raped but assaulted. Bringing in the possibility of a death penalty which the Verma report advised against will make it more difficult for women to report for two reasons 1. They may fear extreme reprisals from their attackers and their families. 2. The perps. won’t want any witnesses so are more likely to kill their victim. Given that rape is a about power, in a country where caste is still very much alive women, particularly in rural areas may be even more unlikely to report rape. Therefore, the ordinance is regressive rather than progressive.
I suspect this is all about politics, the ordinance made on the basis of a bill that the congress coalition could get through and BJP have apparently agreed to support it. Some politicians are awaiting court cases on charges of rape (now to be known as sexual assault) and overall it is clear that the legislature are unwilling to protect women over their male dominated vote banks.
I think India should be ashamed of the lack of human rights afforded to half its citizens the women, though women do not constitute half the population because many are killed simply on the basis of gender. Why are they not adopting the bill of women’s rights suggested by Verma. Of course it will take time, however, it is time for all parties in parliament to indicate that they have a will working towards equality for women. The ordinance on the contrary suggests that they do not have the will to do so.
I hope the struggle of the ‘dented and painted women’ continues.
r



:goodpost: unfortunately things won't change in our lifetime.


As I said before it is an opportunity missed but The Verma Commission is an important start. I would disagree that the intention has been totally ignored.
Of course the Congress party are only concerned with votes, but they need young people's votes and women's votes, we will see what happens regarding the protests and the signature of the President.

noni Feb 4th 2013 2:58 am

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PAEDOPHILIA ON THE RISE IN GOA AGAIN
Till recently, the authorities in Goa would keep a wary eye on foreigners, middle- aged British males were the usual suspects, when it came to curbing paedophilia in the seaside state. Two back- to- back incidents, however, has put the spotlight firmly on Indians as perpetrators of this heinous crime.
After January’s incident of a youth walking into a school in south Goa and raping a seven- yearold girl inside the school toilet, a 33year- old labourer was arrested late on Saturday night on charges of molesting four minor girls in Margao over four months.

The two incidents not only point to the lack of security for minors in Goa but also how easy it is for the culprits to perpetrate the crime.

noni Feb 5th 2013 9:08 am

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GTDC, Club Goa launch 'Privilege Card'

Tourist privilege card will cost you 1,000 rups. !

noni Feb 5th 2013 8:16 pm

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ad-safety.html

Do you agree?

Sue Feb 6th 2013 12:48 am

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Originally Posted by noni (Post 10528075)

Seems reasonable to me to have to take a driving test in the language of your host and country of residency. It can't be safe for other driver having someone regularly driving on British roads and holding a UK driving license but being unable to read road signs or even the warning signs that come up on those over head electronic signs (for say a traffic accident or congestion etc etc).

This was being discussed over a year ago though .... the wheels of government move slowly :D
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2K7sokq8E

noni Feb 6th 2013 1:20 am

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Originally Posted by Sue (Post 10528508)
Seems reasonable to me to have to take a driving test in the language of your host and country of residency. It can't be safe for other driver having someone regularly driving on British roads and holding a UK driving license but being unable to read road signs or even the warning signs that come up on those over head electronic signs (for say a traffic accident or congestion etc etc).

This was being discussed over a year ago though .... the wheels of government move slowly :D
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2K7sokq8E

The only rule in Goa is to ignore all road signs, and traffic lights. :frown:

msj5 Feb 6th 2013 4:24 am

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http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/Viewart...&pageno=Pg%203

Couldn`t actually believe I was reading this!

Locals in Nth Goa being told to pay full price (949 rs) for gas bottle and the difference of around 400 rs for subsidised gas will be paid back into their bank accounts!!!!!!!!Why make extra work for themselves!

If they have to wait as long as I have for 3200rs from BSNL (3 months) they`d be starving!
:ohmy::eek:

jcbrum Feb 6th 2013 6:38 am

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Originally Posted by msj5 (Post 10528854)
http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/Viewart...&pageno=Pg%203

Couldn`t actually believe I was reading this!

Locals in Nth Goa being told to pay full price (949 rs) for gas bottle and the difference of around 400 rs for subsidised gas will be paid back into their bank accounts!!!!!!!!Why make extra work for themselves!

If they have to wait as long as I have for 3200rs from BSNL (3 months) they`d be starving!
:ohmy::eek:

Also without an Aadhar card you cannot get the subsidised gas bottles.So it looks like we will be paying the full price from now on.

John

a_f_d Feb 6th 2013 3:23 pm

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Originally Posted by jcbrum (Post 10529106)
Also without an Aadhar card you cannot get the subsidised gas bottles.So it looks like we will be paying the full price from now on.

John

This is part of a pilot for the Central govt. scheme to pay subsidies and benefits direct to the recipient.
jcbrum - there's nothing to stop you getting Aadhar - but consider whether you should be accepting a subsidy from the GoI, up till now there was no way of not being subsidised other than taking the large commercial cylinders but now you have the option to pay market price for the domestic ones.

AndyD 8-)

Chameleons Feb 6th 2013 4:26 pm

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Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 10529962)
........there's nothing to stop you getting Aadhar - but consider whether you should be accepting a subsidy from the GoI

AndyD 8-)₹

:thumbsup:

We are here full time and only get through 2 cylinders a year anyway so it will hardly break the bank. We did not apply for the subsidies when we went through the KYC stuff. It didn't seem right to do so.


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