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Old Nov 19th 2021, 11:44 pm
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Originally Posted by JamesM
This is why I've long believed someone should only live in Canada if they live south of the 401, West of Victoria Park, East of the 427 and North of Lake Ontario.
The 401 is pushing it. I was 20 years in Toronto without going past Bloor.
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I am very sorry to say that , and I know I'm just becoming a website pariah but in my opinion Canada is a big SCAM.
Starting with racism, so deeply imbedded in Canada's culture it's unbelievable. Mostly against indigenous people but here in northern Ontario in general. SHAME on you Canada.
Then healthcare- maybe free but getting a family doctor, getting specialist appointment is impossible. To wait over a year for a specialist?!?! I know it's free but so is in the UK.
Prices: everything here is so so expensive . Food, mobile phone plans, clothing, furniture - everything. Apart from gas but that is also climbing.
Jobs - low level jobs yes sure but slightly above that? It's all about who you know, connections not skills, not experience, not professionalism.
Canadians are very insecure , threatened by skilled educated foreigners. They are rude and obnoxious.
Theie attitude sucks , they think they know everything better, they think they are so so superior when in reality they are backward! At least 10 years behind the UK. Medical protocols, veterinary protocols and their customer care- that is almost non existent.
Canadians are dishonest, unprofessional, they are LAZY.
​LAZY LAZY
I am bitterly disappointed and after few months of being here and working in well paid job we are going back to the UK.
Canada is beautiful but that is about it. Could come for holidays but that's all.
And one more thing: Canadians always show strong resentment to comparison with the US. They think they are better than Americans. But the truth is they are a knock of copy of them. At least weith Americans is what you see it's what you get. Canadians are fake, two faced , passive aggressive and have no balls to be honest with each other.
Sorry Canada but that is my honest opinion .

And now all of you feel free to jump me. I'm ready for it 👍
Your posting might be a bit too emotional, but at least it's "from the heart". Also, I don't feel insulted in any way by your opinion.

I'd say the problem which persists in Canada is that endless upfront friendliness but hostility behind one's back. I've seen that often in Canada, but I'd say it's the norm.

Also, just because the authorities in Canada issue you with a PR document doesn't mean everyone likes you and everyone welcomes you or is interested in your professional experience. Also, nearly every "classical emigration-country" which is made of immigrants and driven by immigration acts like that, - we need more people we need to convince them to come to our country, even though we know perfectly well, that our Canada, or Australia, or NZ are not perfect at all. Immigrants bring money, immigrants drive demand in certain sectors and immigrants pay taxes, and that's basically what's at play here. And then there is also the attitude of some immigrants, like we're moving to a new country and leave all our problems behind, in Brexit-UK, in Europe, or elsewhere in the world.

What I noticed in Canada as very negative is that in job applications and interviews many born Canadians don't like candidates which more international experience, or experiences outside of the country, often resulting in the often criticised "no Canadian experience job rejection". In comparison the UK doesn't have that attitude at all. Then there are other hazards like lack of acceptance of no claims bonuses from foreign car insurance companies to as you correctly pointed out, the high cost of everything, from food in supermarkets to cell phone plans, whilst one is competing for jobs against other immigrant groups from 3rd world countries who'd do your kind of work for any salary, often even half of your salary expectations. Most jobs in Canada an employee is faced with the "shut up and work" and "dont' question the boss" kind of attitude, - in the UK the relationship between boss and employee is often more consultative, - at least what I've noticed.

It's North America, in general and north American attitude, Canada certainly isn't perfect, but compared to the USA, at least immigrants are able to get stable PR visas, the Green Card in the USA is nearly impossible to get. Also health care in Canada is for free, but it's by far not the NHS, but compared to the US, Canada won't charge you $900 just to treat an unstoppable nose bleeding.

What's shocking in Canada is the attitude to drugs, no matter if it's the legalized cannabis, but also harder drugs. It seems like every Canadian born in Canada has had some experience and exposure to drugs, whilst naturalized Canadians never or hardly ever seem to touch the stuff. Regarding laziness, I don't think that Canadians are particularly lazy at all, but I'd say they can be very slow at times regarding work processes and decision making.

And yes, sometimes the only positive about Canada is the countryside and also the ethnic diversity. Apart from that, expect harsh work, lower salaries ( mostly hourly everywhere) and less vacation ( often only 10 days a year), and higher prices and also a longer time to make real friends, find a real network of friends, not people who talk behind other's back and are friendly upfront.

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Old Nov 20th 2021, 1:40 pm
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What's shocking in Canada is the attitude to drugs, no matter if it's the legalized cannabis, but also harder drugs. It seems like every Canadian born in Canada has had some experience and exposure to drugs, whilst naturalized Canadians never or hardly ever seem to touch the stuff.
This is interesting. Certainly, almost every cradle I've met has been on, or mentioned being on, drugs (assuming you count weed, shrooms and ecstasy) but isn't it the case that all English bank notes test positive for cocaine exposure? I'm not sure this is a differentiator.
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This is interesting. Certainly, almost every cradle I've met has been on, or mentioned being on, drugs (assuming you count weed, shrooms and ecstasy) but isn't it the case that all English bank notes test positive for cocaine exposure? I'm not sure this is a differentiator.
Drug dealers use cash, rarely debit card transactions, I'd say.

The rest of the original post is rather realistic, I'd say. Immigrant and naturalized Canadians often have a far higher education and professional knowledge than born Canadians. I've noticed that often in Canada. Isn't it natural, that many are given a hard time with that "no Canadian experience nonsense" by some employers. Also Canadian workplaces can also be trade union organized, and these kind of organizations naturally don't like somebody or something new coming in, with more or better experience.

On another note, I've always tried to explain the high cost of cell phone contracts to the sheer size of Canada. 10 times the geographical size of the UK and half of the population, one needs more antennas to cover everything over greater distances and geographies......
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Old Nov 20th 2021, 3:32 pm
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“No Canadian experience” is not nonsense in most industries. Having both come from the UK and having brought people from the UK, all other things being equal I would prefer Canadian experience. Different regulations and industry knowledge make a big difference. Adaptation takes time and time is money.
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Old Nov 20th 2021, 4:23 pm
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“No Canadian experience” is not nonsense in most industries. Having both come from the UK and having brought people from the UK, all other things being equal I would prefer Canadian experience. Different regulations and industry knowledge make a big difference. Adaptation takes time and time is money.
I was not meaning that.
If an exam or training is required, for that particular role it's understandable.
However, I think what I call "No-Canadian-Experience-Nonsense" is very much overblown in Canada.
If one only gets this kind of rejection, it's understandable that one leaves Canada as well.
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There is another possible issue at play here.

While fools exist in every country, some of the “world owes me a living/aboriginals are lazy ignorant bastards” attitudes on display around here are particularly prevalent among expats from former centres of colonial empires. Certainly not the kind of thinking one would wish for in a work environment. And the one which tends to shine through nice and clear and is bound to cause a bit of a reaction.

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Old Nov 20th 2021, 6:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Mordko
There is another possible issue at play here.

While fools exist in every country, some of the “world owes me a living/aboriginals are lazy ignorant bastards” attitudes on display around here are particularly prevalent among expats from former centres of colonial empires. Certainly not the kind of thinking one would wish for in a work environment. And the one which tends to shine through nice and clear and is bound to cause a bit of a reaction.
I'd say there is no real room for "anybody owes somebody or something for whatever reason".

Also, if you're on some sort of temporary visa system in the US, you don't get that "no US-American experience nonsense" in the US. One is just getting paid to do a job.
At least in Canada you can get a visa that's permanent, in the US the Green Card is very very hard to obtain.

If an immigrant goes back home again, as he / she is only facing that "no Canadian experience nonsense", then it should also send a message to Canada and the attitudes. After all, why bother employing government agents to handle and approve PR visas, for immigrants who only stay very briefly, just to cash in on the right of landing fee. It'll be a bit of a joke, if it was that way.

Incidentally, I am originally from Eastern Europe and not from some former center of a colonial empire.
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Given that Canada has one of the highest numbers of immigrants in the world, I’d say most immigrants tend to stay. Are you saying US is more immigrant friendly? Did I get it right?

While the OP is likely British, his attitude isn’t unique to Brits by any means; sorry if I implied that. Every nation deserves the right to a few ArekDeBosses. Which is cool; entertainment value is appreciated.
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Given that Canada has one of the highest numbers of immigrants in the world, I’d say most immigrants tend to stay. Are you saying US is more immigrant friendly? Did I get it right?

While the OP is likely British, his attitude isn’t unique to Brits by any means; sorry if I implied that. Every nation deserves the right to a few ArekDeBosses. Which is cool; entertainment value is appreciated.
I don't know if Canada has the highest number of immigrants in the world, or if it's just a per capita figure. The country certainly has attractions.

From a formal application and approval process Canada is very welcoming. Where else in the world would you get PR right from the start and citizenship after 3 years with the right to keep your existing citizenship? Even Switzerland doesn't do that, in Switzerland the visa process is temporary per nature, and you're looking around 15 or 20 years towards naturalization.

The US is certainly not that immigrant-friendly in terms of processes and approvals for visas. You typically start with some form of temporary visa which is sponsored by your employer, where at some point an immigration lawyer is involved, or often involved. Only after a few years or a few more years, you'd be eligible for a Green Card, - the equivalent to the Canadian PR. So from an application and approval process the US is most likely one of the most difficult countries. However in the US you rarely hear something like "no American experience nonsense". They even tend to employ doctors and nurses right away provided they have a comparable degree. In Canada that's unfortunately unheard of.

I'd say the original poster wasn't aware of certain things in Canada, and figured, if I get PR for Canada, I am welcome, but was far off, when looking closer at the labour market, the peculiarities of employment in Canada etc....
But still I think that "no Canadian experience" is an overblown nonsense in Canada. I also believe that the government of Ontario wants to introduce certain legislation to end this kind of practice. It's just a waste of skill if a trained doctor or a trained nurse ends up working at Tim Horton's or driving for Uber or Lyft for the minimum hourly wage.
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I know of one foreign doctor who moved to the US. He basically had to start from scratch. The process is identical to the Canadian version as far as I can tell. https://www.fnu.edu/foreign-physicia...practitioners/. And in all honesty, I wouldn’t want foreign doctors to practice here without going through certification.

There is certainly professional protectionism which is a problem. That’s not the main thrust of the OP’s runt. According to him “Canadians” are lazy and backward. And racist. I’d say anyone coming from Britain and claiming that Canada is more racist is either deaf and blind or just nuts. And Britain isn’t the worst in Europe in this respect.

He is also claiming that Canadians are unfriendly. Can’t imagine why locals are not loving him. Puzzle of the century.

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The US is certainly not that immigrant-friendly in terms of processes and approvals for visas. You typically start with some form of temporary visa which is sponsored by your employer, where at some point an immigration lawyer is involved, or often involved. Only after a few years or a few more years, you'd be eligible for a Green Card.
There’s no requirement to be in the US for any length of time before being eligible for a green card. I’m fact, there’s no requirement to be in the US or on a temp visa first at all. It does depend on the visa category, but we had the option of moving on either a L1 (temp transfer visa), or green cards (which would have been applied for from the UK, so we’d have moved with permanent residency).

Compared to our Canadian PR application (5+ years processing back in those days), getting US PR would have been a lot quicker & easier for us personally.

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He’s not.

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He’s not.
I stand corrected. Let me take another guess… Which European country has no racism whatsoever and adores immigrants… Poland?
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He’s not.
According to OP his Polish with British Citizenship, so he is but dual citizen

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