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Siouxie Jan 28th 2016 8:53 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11852073)
Well I don't because whenever I go to US I meet loads of people and hang out with them, I have actually made some good friends in the US through random nights out.

I have lived in Australia for a year when I was 23, didn't have any problems there either. made lods of friends.

I'm sorry but I just find Canadians to be boring and very reserved.

Honestly, I think you are just mixing with the wrong people and going to the wrong places.

Perhaps you could say instead 'the people I have met in Canada have been boring and reserved' rather than generalising about Canadians? There are Brits who are Canadian - and German, French, Irish, Welsh, Aussie's, Americans.. the list is endless, so to lump everyone into one group is rather silly.

Yes, there are some people who live in Canada who are boring and reserved - just as there are some people who live in the Uk / US / Europe who are boring and reserved.

Obviously you don't feel you are a good fit for Canada and that's fine, but surely you have found some aspects here that were agreeable to you?

:confused:

humanist Jan 28th 2016 8:56 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11852076)
You've mentioned, the lack of culture, or that shops or shopping is terrible, lack of sense of humour & the dating scene is boring.

Since being here, have you dated non-Canadian blokes, what about any Brits living in Canada that you've socialized with, are they also boring?

And, what about Europeans... surely there must be someone or type of person in Canada that's up to your 'high thrill, not the boring type' standard like that you'd find back home in blighty?

.

Actually good point, after living and working in multicultural TO for 8 years most of the people I've met and the friends I've made were not born and raised in Canada.

Maybe there's something in the water that dumbs you down and makes you tedious after a couple of years.

Haylee32 Jan 28th 2016 8:58 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11852076)
You've mentioned, the lack of culture, or that shops or shopping is terrible, lack of sense of humour & the dating scene is boring.

Since being here, have you dated non-Canadian blokes, what about any Brits living in Canada that you've socialized with, are they also boring?

And, what about Europeans... surely there must be someone or type of person in Canada that's up to your 'high thrill, not the boring type' standard like that you'd find back home in blighty?

.

I have made loads of European friends here. At the moment few remains as most of them returned to Europe. Majority of my friends are from US or Europe and of course they are not boring. I have dated few canadian guys and an American guy. American guy was awesome and I really liked him but he was here on and off and it was too difficult to continue dating long distance. Canadian guys lacked confidence, passion and expected me to make all the decisions and plan everything, I broke up with each and single one of them.

not2old Jan 28th 2016 8:59 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 
to post 202 & 203, has anyone found folks change after being here a while - I'm thinking some of whom become narcissistic? .... just saying

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 8:59 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11852076)
You've mentioned, the lack of culture, or that shops or shopping is terrible, lack of sense of humour & the dating scene is boring.

Since being here, have you dated non-Canadian blokes, what about any Brits living in Canada that you've socialized with, are they also boring?

And, what about Europeans... surely there must be someone or type of person in Canada that's up to your 'high thrill, not the boring type' standard like that you'd find back home in blighty?

.

It's the assimilation of the individual.

Expecting people around them to change with out investing anything themselves.

I don't have a problem meeting people in Toronto. In fact it's a struggle keeping up with it all.

The sense of humour in Canada is different but so is the tolerance. It is probably the biggest cultural thing about the place that makes it so different from other places. Some people aren't cut out for all cultures and can't adapt.

Stinkypup Jan 28th 2016 9:02 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11852057)
No, not a culture but part of it, vibrant nightlife and pub culture are just that - parts of british culture. I like energetic intense cities like New York or New Orleans. Toronto doesn't have that.

That is a weird pick-Where to put it nicely drunks litter the streets and there is an overpowering stench of piss- great place to visit, photogenic yes-live there, not if you value your life

Haylee32 Jan 28th 2016 9:03 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 11852080)
Honestly, I think you are just mixing with the wrong people and going to the wrong places.

Perhaps you could say instead 'the people I have met in Canada have been boring and reserved' rather than generalising about Canadians? There are Brits who are Canadian - and German, French, Irish, Welsh, Aussie's, Americans.. the list is endless, so to lump everyone into one group is rather silly.

Yes, there are some people who live in Canada who are boring and reserved - just as there are some people who live in the Uk / US / Europe who are boring and reserved.

Obviously you don't feel you are a good fit for Canada and that's fine, but surely you have found some aspects here that were agreeable to you?

:confused:

I am not saying all canadians are boring but the general vibe of the place after living here for 2 years is to me. Even lets say bars, strangersdont really talk to each other. If I go to US its normal to say hello and strike up a conversation. It's the atmosphere.

My friend told me it's because Canadians who are raised here are always warned as kids to be careful, not to talk to strangers etc, and also the fact that they prefer to get stoned instead of drinking.

Alcohol, say about it whatever you want, losens up people and brings them together. Weed not so much.

And yes, some things about Canada are great - clean, green, sporty, tolerant, open minded etc.

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 9:03 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11852088)
to post 202 & 203, has anyone found folks change after being here a while - I'm thinking some of whom become narcissistic? .... just saying

Toronto is a bit of a self absorbed place.

Invariably you end up carrying a certain swagger.

Stinkypup Jan 28th 2016 9:04 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11852050)
What hatred? LOL, I did tell you I came here excited and with an open heart. Why are you telling me Im unable to integrate? Are you trying to insult me because I criticized the place you like? I have integrated in several other places just fine, Canada just isn't for me. That's me. It's my right not to like it. If readign about it bothers you then stop reading this thread.

I get that but you yourself cannot take criticism! :banghead:

Haylee32 Jan 28th 2016 9:06 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Stinkypup (Post 11852101)
I get that but you yourself cannot take criticism! :banghead:

because you are trying to criticize how I feel. You can't criticize someone's feelings lol

not2old Jan 28th 2016 9:07 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11852089)
It's the assimilation of the individual.

Expecting people around them to change with out investing anything themselves.

The sense of humour in Canada is different but so is the tolerance. It is probably the biggest cultural thing about the place that makes it so different from other places. Some people aren't cut out for all cultures and can't adapt.

Agree & like a foreigner (even those boring Canadians & Americans) going to the UK, whinging & complaining Britain sucks, lack of service, attitude, the yobs & chavs, cost of things, the weather etc.

Easy answer, if one can't assimilate - then 'on your horses', who needs you.

.

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 9:07 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11852097)
I am not saying all canadians are boring but the general vibe of the place after living here for 2 years is to me. Even lets say bars, strangersdont really talk to each other. If I go to US its normal to say hello and strike up a conversation. It's the atmosphere.

My friend told me it's because Canadians who are raised here are always warned as kids to be careful, not to talk to strangers etc, and also the fact that they prefer to get stoned instead of drinking.

Alcohol, say about it whatever you want, losens up people and brings them together. Weed not so much.

And yes, some things about Canada are great - clean, green, sporty, tolerant, open minded etc.

This is all very odd to me.

At my local pubs we do loads of social stuff. Get drunk. Play Golf. Egg Chuck Sunday mornings if you want.

The banter isn't as good as it was with my mates back home but the sense of community is strong.

I certainly never had bars this active when I lived in Clapham. "The Alfred" in Farnham isn't bad.

I think you need to look inside rather than outside (in the nicest possible way).

Tirytory Jan 28th 2016 9:09 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11852097)
I am not saying all canadians are boring but the general vibe of the place after living here for 2 years is to me. Even lets say bars, strangersdont really talk to each other. If I go to US its normal to say hello and strike up a conversation. It's the atmosphere.

My friend told me it's because Canadians who are raised here are always warned as kids to be careful, not to talk to strangers etc, and also the fact that they prefer to get stoned instead of drinking.

Alcohol, say about it whatever you want, losens up people and brings them together. Weed not so much.

And yes, some things about Canada are great - clean, green, sporty, tolerant, open minded etc.

But in fact you have said that on more than one occasion. You could just say do you know what, the specific part of Canada I've lived in isn't for me? But you seem to feel the need to place the blame somewhere as if you've failed. It's not a failing to want to live somewhere else.!

Siouxie Jan 28th 2016 9:12 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11852055)
You don't get it. I can find people to get drunk here with or go pubbing, I can find guys to go on dates, but it's all painfully boring. Canadians are stiff even when they are drunk.


Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11852097)
I am not saying all canadians are boring but the general vibe of the place after living here for 2 years is to me. Even lets say bars, strangers dont really talk to each other. If I go to US its normal to say hello and strike up a conversation. It's the atmosphere.

My friend told me it's because Canadians who are raised here are always warned as kids to be careful, not to talk to strangers etc, and also the fact that they prefer to get stoned instead of drinking.

Alcohol, say about it whatever you want, losens up people and brings them together. Weed not so much.

And yes, some things about Canada are great - clean, green, sporty, tolerant, open minded etc.

Oh I do get it. You are mixing with the wrong people or else are just not finding connections with anyone.

I can walk into any pub in the surrounding towns to where I live and people talk to me. People talk to me when I am outside smoking, sitting at a table inside or out, sitting at the bar or just hanging - regardless.

I've never found anyone reluctant to talk - even if it's me striking up a conversation - nor too afraid to talk to a stranger. Strange.

You are generalising again by saying "Canadians". I can assure you I have met many 'Canadians' who aren't boring, are outgoing, funny, gregarious and are up for a laugh - drunk or sober - and yes, I've met a few boring ones too! It's the way it is - a mixed bag where ever you live.

I get that you are not happy, that Canada isn't for you.. but perhaps you could also comment about the things you do like as well as the things you don't? You have said that you like the open mindedness and I agree, I've found people, generally, here are very tolerant - apart from a few racist arseholes that I have come across. There's aspects of living here that I don't care for that much, but if I was as unhappy as you appear to be I would have left long ago.

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 9:13 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Stinkypup (Post 11852094)
That is a weird pick-Where to put it nicely drunks litter the streets and there is an overpowering stench of piss- great place to visit, photogenic yes-live there, not if you value your life

Haha.

New Years Eve in Wimbledon was a horror show this year.

I love seeing my mates but give me table service and Hooters girls over the minimum wage bad teethed UK bar tender and elbows to get served any time.

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 9:15 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11852105)
Agree & like a foreigner (even those boring Canadians & Americans) going to the UK, whinging & complaining Britain sucks, lack of service, attitude, the yobs & chavs, cost of things, the weather etc.

Easy answer, if one can't assimilate - then 'on your horses', who needs you.

.

That is why you travel. You can ride in and out on your horse with a small taste, usually positive because you're spending too much holiday money.

When you actually go and live somewhere you have to meet the place at least half way.

Haylee32 Jan 28th 2016 9:15 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Tirytory (Post 11852108)
But in fact you have said that on more than one occasion. You could just say do you know what, the specific part of Canada I've lived in isn't for me? But you seem to feel the need to place the blame somewhere as if you've failed. It's not a failing to want to live somewhere else.!

No, I have highlighted from the start that it's my personal point of view and this is how I feel. And it is. If Canadians tell me that Toronto is the most exciting, most vibrant city in Canada then I will take their word for it. So if this is as good as it gets then yeah, it's a disappointment. This is my impression based not on hear say, but on me being here for over 2 years, and attending many house and beach parties, events, boat parties etc, speaking to people and working in a large canadian corporation downtown.
I just can't feel the energy. That's it.

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 9:17 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 11852111)

I can walk into any pub in the surrounding towns to where I live and people talk to me. People talk to me when I am outside smoking, sitting at a table inside or out, sitting at the bar or just hanging - regardless.

Piss tank!

:rofl:

:scarper:

Tirytory Jan 28th 2016 9:18 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11852115)
No, I have highlighted from the start that it's my personal point of view and this is how I feel. And it is. If Canadians tell me that Toronto is the most exciting, most vibrant city in Canada then I will take their word for it. So if this is as good as it gets then yeah, it's a disappointment. This is my impression based not on hear say, but on me being here for over 2 years, and attending many house and beach parties, events, boat parties etc, speaking to people and working in a large canadian corporation downtown.
I just can't feel the energy. That's it.

Well I guess I had a better two years than you then...

Siouxie Jan 28th 2016 9:20 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11852116)
Piss tank!

:rofl:

:scarper:

Drinking coffee of course!!

(not)

:p

not2old Jan 28th 2016 9:20 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11852115)
No, I have highlighted from the start that it's my personal point of view and this is how I feel. And it is. If Canadians tell me that Toronto is the most exciting, most vibrant city in Canada then I will take their word for it. So if this is as good as it gets then yeah, it's a disappointment.

This is my impression based not on hear say, but on me being here for over 2 years, and attending many house and beach parties, events, boat parties etc, speaking to people and working in a large canadian corporation downtown.

I just can't feel the energy. That's it.

and you have to stay till September - it must be eating away at you to not be in a vibrant city?

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 9:22 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11852115)
If Canadians tell me that Toronto is the most exciting, most vibrant city in Canada then I will take their word for it.

No sane person would listen to this bollocks. Torontonians do spend too much time trying to justify why they live in Toronto. These band wagon folk are best avoided.

You should not be spending time on still laked boats and at house/beach party's as it's kind of a boring way to choose to spend one's time.

Stinkypup Jan 28th 2016 9:23 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11852123)
and you have to stay till September - it must be eating away at you to not be in a vibrant city?

SHE DOESNT HATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!:sneaky: Apparently...;)

not2old Jan 28th 2016 9:25 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11852124)
No sane person would listen to this bollocks. Torontonians do spend too much time trying to justify why they live in Toronto. These band wagon folk are best avoided.

You should not be spending time on still laked boats and at house/beach party's as it's kind of a boring way to choose to spend one's time.

in the time that I have lived in Canada, I never ever got to go to either of those 'boring' outings

not2old Jan 28th 2016 9:27 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Stinkypup (Post 11852126)
SHE DOESNT HATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!:sneaky: Apparently...;)

title of the thread is ..."Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada", when she really means 'the dating scene'

Novocastrian Jan 28th 2016 9:28 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 
This is a very odd thread.

Probably a perfect example of the "sunken assets syndrome".

In my early days in Toronto I found it quite a change from California, a bit of a half-way house between there and the UK I'd left several years earlier.

Several decades later, it was still like the UK I'd left several decades earlier, but the UK, it turns out, had moved on.

*shock*

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 9:28 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11852129)
in the time that I have lived in Canada, I never ever got to go to either of those 'boring' outings

One mate had an inflatable bar and we'd get incredibly drunk and sun burnt drinking in the lake all day.

Then his wife banned me.

But usually I avoid these things. As I said up thread one cottage a year.

There are no real beaches in Canada and it is illegal to drink on them anyway. If you want beaches go to Australia or Southend (ammended for Novocastrian!).

Different people for different needs in Canada.

ChrisBan Jan 28th 2016 9:29 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11852136)
One mate had an inflatable bar and we'd get incredibly drunk and sun burnt drinking in the lake all day.

Then his wife banned me.

But usually I avoid these things. As I said up thread one cottage a year.

There are no real beaches in Canada and it is illegal to drink on them anyway. If you want beaches go to Australia or South End.

:rofl: #troublemaker

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 9:32 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11852134)
This is a very odd thread.

Probably a perfect example of the "sunken assets syndrome".

In my early days in Toronto I found it quite a change from California, a bit of a half-way house between there and the UK I'd left several years earlier.

Several decades later, it was still like the UK I'd left several decades earlier, but the UK, it turns out, had moved on.

*shock*

This thread is lively.

That's kind of where it ends.

We all know Canadians are a bit on the odd side.

We also know Toronto is a little plain for many things.

Novocastrian Jan 28th 2016 9:34 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11852136)
If you want beaches go to Australia or South End.

The South End of what? Or did you mean Southend?

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 9:35 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by ChrisBan (Post 11852137)
:rofl: #troublemaker

She once had it out with me because I referred to gypsies as errrrrrrrr gypsies.

Her past involved a previous marriage where an English man had walked out on her.

I really have no idea how my Canadian mate ended up with her.

MarylandNed Jan 28th 2016 9:35 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11852142)
This thread is lively.

That's kind of where it ends.

We all know Canadians are a bit on the odd side.

We also know Toronto is a little plain for many things.

And we also know that many people don't agree with you. :)

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 9:36 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11852146)
The South End of what? Or did you mean Southend?

Yup.

The second one.

What he said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 9:39 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 
Right I'm off to the gym.

There is a reason I look like David Hasselhoff.

You're in charge Ned!

MarylandNed Jan 28th 2016 9:41 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11851994)
Fir enough. I miss fashion (non existant here), vibrant night life, people who like to get drunk, all sorts of nationalities, dating and great career opportunities. I actually prefer food in Toronto.

You do know that most people who live in Toronto weren't even born in Canada, right? It's one of the most multicultural cities on the planet. If you can't mix with "all sorts of nationalities" in Toronto, where can you?

Novocastrian Jan 28th 2016 9:42 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11852152)
Right I'm off to the gym.

There is a reason I look like David Hasselhoff.

You're in charge Ned!

I am an eye witness James. Don't forget that.

Ever.

Oink Jan 28th 2016 9:43 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11852136)
One mate had an inflatable bar and we'd get incredibly drunk and sun burnt drinking in the lake all day.

Then his wife banned me.

But usually I avoid these things. As I said up thread one cottage a year.

There are no real beaches in Canada and it is illegal to drink on them anyway. If you want beaches go to Australia or Southend (ammended for Novocastrian!).

Different people for different needs in Canada.

I've had a few of them but strangely enough they were all in the US and I was younger. I'd get, "I like you, I just don't like you with my husband." To be fair, the last time was when we went out for a few cheeky drinks on a Friday evening in DC and came back Monday morning after finding our way to Atlanta and his wife finding a temporary membership card to a gentlemen's entertainment club in his coat pocket. :unsure:

Alan2005 Jan 28th 2016 9:44 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11852134)
This is a very odd thread.

You should come up to the peanut gallery. From here this thread is gold.

MarylandNed Jan 28th 2016 9:45 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11852055)
Canadians are stiff even when they are drunk.

That's a bad thing? ;)

humanist Jan 28th 2016 9:45 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11852158)
You should come up to the peanut gallery. From here this thread is gold.

Sure beats the QROPS thread for entertainment


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