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Novocastrian Jan 27th 2016 10:34 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11850726)
You don't come to Vancouver for the culture. That's crazy.

You come for the scenery which is actually really quite nice.

I found it to be rather oppressive.

jock_mcbile Jan 27th 2016 10:39 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11850503)
I am not tagging anything, I am just saying it's my personal impression. I have made a lot of effort to get involved in Canadian politics but Canadian politics are a bit boring and also I find that apart from Canada people have no intererest about what's going on outside of it.

As for friendships I am not talking about super close friends you know for decades. Just willingness and being open to making new friends. If you go to US Americans tend to go out of their way to srtike up a conversation and get you involved in their circle, ask you out for drinks etc. Here, not at all. People act suspicious if you ask them to hang out or say hello.

I also do not agree with Canadians traveling a lot. I have met all kind of people here, from hipsters to Bay street crowd to College St crowd and King West yuppies, a lot of them haven't been anywhere apart from Cuba and Mexico. I hear many times that they would like to go here or there but they are scared because it's dangerous which makes me laugh.

These are my personal observations and I don't think I am being unfair, I came here excited with an open heart and after 2 years this is the opinion I will be leaving with.

By accident of birth, you were born in a country a stone's throw away from about 30 other countries. By accident of birth, Canadians weren't. And I don't know who you've been meeting but nearly every youngish, educated Canadian I've ever met has done at least one Europe trip, and quite a few to the Far East and/or South America. No gap years in Canada so major travelling tends to occur more in late-20s and 30s as opposed to early-20s like Brits.

Siouxie Jan 27th 2016 10:49 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11850503)
I am not tagging anything, I am just saying it's my personal impression. I have made a lot of effort to get involved in Canadian politics but Canadian politics are a bit boring and also I find that apart from Canada people have no intererest about what's going on outside of it.

As for friendships I am not talking about super close friends you know for decades. Just willingness and being open to making new friends. If you go to US Americans tend to go out of their way to srtike up a conversation and get you involved in their circle, ask you out for drinks etc. Here, not at all. People act suspicious if you ask them to hang out or say hello.

I also do not agree with Canadians traveling a lot. I have met all kind of people here, from hipsters to Bay street crowd to College St crowd and King West yuppies, a lot of them haven't been anywhere apart from Cuba and Mexico. I hear many times that they would like to go here or there but they are scared because it's dangerous which makes me laugh.

These are my personal observations and I don't think I am being unfair, I came here excited with an open heart and after 2 years this is the opinion I will be leaving with.

If you liked the US so much, why did you come to Canada? Could you not get a work permit for the US instead?

I personally know of more than half a dozen people, in their 20's to early 30's, who have travelled extensively outside of Canada. Two went to live in Australia for a year; one continued on and travelled around the Far East on the way back, the other one went onto New Zealand for a few weeks. Another has just come back from backpacking around Europe - for the 3rd time. My Canadian step-daughter toured the UK and Europe staying at hostels and catching trains; 3 years ago she went to Costa Rica and worked volunteering at a rain forest reserve. My step-son also went to Australia, Hong Kong, then on a separate trip took in Europe including the Greek Isles. None of them consider going on weekend trips to the US as 'travelling' - more a weekend jaunt.

I have to wonder what's behind you wanting to join a forum about Canada just to complain at how much you dislike the people, the country and to denigrate just about every aspect.

:confused:

Former Lancastrian Jan 27th 2016 11:02 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 
I just did a quick bit of Googling and this might surprise some.
I think we can all agree that Winnipeg is the geographical centre of Canada.
If we just use England most would say Birmingham is the centre.
I decided to use a flight time of 4 hours non stop from each airport.
So how many countries do you think you could fly to from each airport on the assumption that those airports flew there?

Have a guess first then use the links to see how close you were

Distance and Flight Duration Time from Winnipeg, Canada

Distance and Flight Duration Time from Birmingham (UK), UK

Don't even ask what flights cost from each respective country :rofl:

jock_mcbile Jan 27th 2016 11:06 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 11850756)
I just did a quick bit of Googling and this might surprise some.
I think we can all agree that Winnipeg is the geographical centre of Canada.
If we just use England most would say Birmingham is the centre.
I decided to use a flight time of 4 hours non stop from each airport.
So how many countries do you think you could fly to from each airport on the assumption that those airports flew there?

Have a guess first then use the links to see how close you were

Distance and Flight Duration Time from Winnipeg, Canada

Distance and Flight Duration Time from Birmingham (UK), UK

Don't even ask what flights cost from each respective country :rofl:

Not to be pedantic but the geographical centre of Canada would actually somewhere in Nunavut :)

Siouxie Jan 27th 2016 11:28 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by jock_mcbile (Post 11850760)
Not to be pedantic but the geographical centre of Canada would actually somewhere in Nunavut :)

Indeed - apparently..The centre of controversy: Where is Canada's middle? - Macleans.ca

Christopher Storie, president of the Canadian Cartographic Association, uses Atlas of Canada coordinates to find the extreme tips of the country, enters them in an algorithm that creates an elipse, then finds the cross point of its axes

"... He determines the centre of the country is actually about 275 km southwest of Baker Lake, on the barren shores of a water body called Yathkyed Lake... "

:lol:

Distance and Flight Duration Time from Baker Lake, Canada

Jsmth321 Jan 27th 2016 11:28 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 11850746)
If you liked the US so much, why did you come to Canada? Could you not get a work permit for the US instead?

I personally know of more than half a dozen people, in their 20's to early 30's, who have travelled extensively outside of Canada. Two went to live in Australia for a year; one continued on and travelled around the Far East on the way back, the other one went onto New Zealand for a few weeks. Another has just come back from backpacking around Europe - for the 3rd time. My Canadian step-daughter toured the UK and Europe staying at hostels and catching trains; 3 years ago she went to Costa Rica and worked volunteering at a rain forest reserve. My step-son also went to Australia, Hong Kong, then on a separate trip took in Europe including the Greek Isles. None of them consider going on weekend trips to the US as 'travelling' - more a weekend jaunt.

I have to wonder what's behind you wanting to join a forum about Canada just to complain at how much you dislike the people, the country and to denigrate just about every aspect.

:confused:

My wife traveled quite often in her younger days. Spent most of her summers in her first 14 years in Europe visiting the grandparents, when they died, the summer visits stopped.

But she also spent 1 year in Brazil on an educational exchange in 11th grade, has been to the UK 4 or 5 times, most recent was in 2010.

She also lived and went to school in NY for a year.

I think that is most of her travels, will ask her when she gets home.

Her brother extensively traveled as well, but instead of Brazil and UK he did most travels in Asia.

But then I also Canadian's who have never gone any further then whatever state happens to border their province, and one girl my wife works with is 26 and hasn't even ever crossed into the US let alone any other country, and finds Vancouver too scary, so doubt she will even leave this small town for much in her life.


Some Canadians travel, and some don't, just like any other country will have some people who do and some who don't.

Biggest thing is people from UK and Europe who say North American's don't travel outside of the continent enough need to realize is North America is not close to the rest of the world, we can't hop on a cheap flight for 2 hours and end up in a country with far different culture and sights, 2 hours from Vancouver and you can get about as far as San Francisco if even that far.

If you wan't to stay in Canada, 2 hours gets you to where, Regina?

And it's not nearly as cheap to fly within North America as it is in Europe, and especially so in Canada where airfares tend to be insanely high.


Now think of the general lack of time off Canadian's tend to have, and the only way a European trip is possible really is to take your entire 10 days off (assuming the employer is only giving what they are required to give.) at once, but people have other commitments in the year they need time off for, so may not be able to take the entire 10 days off, add in the travel days, and reality those 10 days are really only a 5-6 day visit.

Former Lancastrian Jan 27th 2016 11:37 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by jock_mcbile (Post 11850760)
Not to be pedantic but the geographical centre of Canada would actually somewhere in Nunavut :)

True but the answer remains the same or adds one country from that location.

jock_mcbile Jan 27th 2016 11:47 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11850776)
My wife traveled quite often in her younger days. Spent most of her summers in her first 14 years in Europe visiting the grandparents, when they died, the summer visits stopped.

But she also spent 1 year in Brazil on an educational exchange in 11th grade, has been to the UK 4 or 5 times, most recent was in 2010.

She also lived and went to school in NY for a year.

I think that is most of her travels, will ask her when she gets home.

Her brother extensively traveled as well, but instead of Brazil and UK he did most travels in Asia.

But then I also Canadian's who have never gone any further then whatever state happens to border their province, and one girl my wife works with is 26 and hasn't even ever crossed into the US let alone any other country, and finds Vancouver too scary, so doubt she will even leave this small town for much in her life.


Some Canadians travel, and some don't, just like any other country will have some people who do and some who don't.

Biggest thing is people from UK and Europe who say North American's don't travel outside of the continent enough need to realize is North America is not close to the rest of the world, we can't hop on a cheap flight for 2 hours and end up in a country with far different culture and sights, 2 hours from Vancouver and you can get about as far as San Francisco if even that far.

If you wan't to stay in Canada, 2 hours gets you to where, Regina?

And it's not nearly as cheap to fly within North America as it is in Europe, and especially so in Canada where airfares tend to be insanely high.


Now think of the general lack of time off Canadian's tend to have, and the only way a European trip is possible really is to take your entire 10 days off (assuming the employer is only giving what they are required to give.) at once, but people have other commitments in the year they need time off for, so may not be able to take the entire 10 days off, add in the travel days, and reality those 10 days are really only a 5-6 day visit.

Canada's minimum 2-week paid leave (minimum 3 weeks in Saskatchewan) is a disgrace and completely out of step with every other advanced country except the US, where, believe it or not, there is ZERO legal minimum - a US employer can technically offer its employees no paid vacation. Apparently this is one of the issues Obama is said to want to tackle now in his final year.

Haylee32 Jan 27th 2016 11:54 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Jack_Judge (Post 11850646)
So there's nothing significantly different from Vancouver in a range of several thousand miles?
This is one benighted part of the world.

Seattle, New York, San Fran, LA, Boston, Chicago, NY, New Orleans, these cities are all different, they represent different mentalities and each one of them has something very unique to offer.
Yes they are all cities but that's like saying it's not worth going to Paris when you live in London cos "it's all the same"

Haylee32 Jan 27th 2016 11:59 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 11850746)
If you liked the US so much, why did you come to Canada? Could you not get a work permit for the US instead?

I personally know of more than half a dozen people, in their 20's to early 30's, who have travelled extensively outside of Canada. Two went to live in Australia for a year; one continued on and travelled around the Far East on the way back, the other one went onto New Zealand for a few weeks. Another has just come back from backpacking around Europe - for the 3rd time. My Canadian step-daughter toured the UK and Europe staying at hostels and catching trains; 3 years ago she went to Costa Rica and worked volunteering at a rain forest reserve. My step-son also went to Australia, Hong Kong, then on a separate trip took in Europe including the Greek Isles. None of them consider going on weekend trips to the US as 'travelling' - more a weekend jaunt.

I have to wonder what's behind you wanting to join a forum about Canada just to complain at how much you dislike the people, the country and to denigrate just about every aspect.

:confused:

No I could not get a working visa to US. And I come to this forum often to read, decided to post since I've made a decision to leave and as per my OP was wondering if anyone felt the same. Judging by the replies quite a few people do.

Are we not allowed to criticize Canada and voice our opinions? Should we only praise it? I didn't realize this was Canada's fan club forum.

Jsmth321 Jan 28th 2016 12:00 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by jock_mcbile (Post 11850781)
Canada's minimum 2-week paid leave (minimum 3 weeks in Saskatchewan) is a disgrace and completely out of step with every other advanced country except the US, where, believe it or not, there is ZERO legal minimum - a US employer can technically offer its employees no paid vacation. Apparently this is one of the issues Obama is said to want to tackle now in his final year.

I was lucky in most jobs in the US, got anywhere from 2 to 3 weeks, and most allowed employees to trade shifts, so as long as we had our shift covered they didn't really care who was there.

Siouxie Jan 28th 2016 12:04 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11850787)
No I could not get a working visa to US. And I come to this forum often to read, decided to post since I've made a decision to leave and as per my OP was wondering if anyone felt the same. Judging by the replies quite a few people do.

Are we not allowed to criticize Canada and voice our opinions? Should we only praise it? I didn't realize this was Canada's fan club forum.

Of course you are allowed to voice your opinion, however, it's somewhat unusual for a first post to be a negative one in a forum that's all about Canada.

You might find the "moving back to the UK" forum of interest too.

:)

Moving back to the UK - British Expats

jock_mcbile Jan 28th 2016 12:09 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11850787)
No I could not get a working visa to US. And I come to this forum often to read, decided to post since I've made a decision to leave and as per my OP was wondering if anyone felt the same. Judging by the replies quite a few people do.

Are we not allowed to criticize Canada and voice our opinions? Should we only praise it? I didn't realize this was Canada's fan club forum.

This forum is anything but Canada's fan club. You will be popular here.

Former Lancastrian Jan 28th 2016 12:10 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11850787)
No I could not get a working visa to US. And I come to this forum often to read, decided to post since I've made a decision to leave and as per my OP was wondering if anyone felt the same. Judging by the replies quite a few people do.

Are we not allowed to criticize Canada and voice our opinions? Should we only praise it? I didn't realize this was Canada's fan club forum.

Yes you can criticize and make comments but also you should be prepared to receive negative feedback as well.
BE members come and go and those of us who stick around see it all. I have lost count on the amount of Brits who came here and went back to the UK within a 2 year period with the same complaints you have. Some did research others didn't and guess what in another 5 years this will still be a topic just different posters.
Sure some have been shafted by employers or ex spouses but if I was to take an educated guess the most popular reason of an expat going back is that they miss family and friends regardless of if they made friends in Canada.
Unless I win the lottery I won't be planning on moving back to the UK but thats my choice.

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 12:15 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 11850746)

I have to wonder what's behind you wanting to join a forum about Canada just to complain at how much you dislike the people, the country and to denigrate just about every aspect.

:confused:

One of the reasons I come on here :thumbsup:

Let of steam!

JamesM Jan 28th 2016 12:25 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 11850798)
Yes you can criticize and make comments but also you should be prepared to receive negative feedback as well.
BE members come and go and those of us who stick around see it all. I have lost count on the amount of Brits who came here and went back to the UK within a 2 year period with the same complaints you have. Some did research others didn't and guess what in another 5 years this will still be a topic just different posters.
Sure some have been shafted by employers or ex spouses but if I was to take an educated guess the most popular reason of an expat going back is that they miss family and friends regardless of if they made friends in Canada.
Unless I win the lottery I won't be planning on moving back to the UK but thats my choice.

To be fair I quite openly ask Canadians why they live here.

If you're not snowboarding or golfing you may as well move to London. More money and prospects, bars and restaurants.

The OP clearly wants the latter.

This forum is a place for all view points. It always has been. Toronto deserves a lot of negative feedback. The city and it's locals spend far too much time trying to blow heat up their own arses. Too many of them need to get out of the bubble.

My experience of Toronto is generally positive but I don't half miss good banter some days and I know my direct approach in the work place is hard for the cradles.

In Toronto you really do need to find a couple of good hobbies with likeminded people to get on. In London you can meet good people through work- that is harder and less likely here.

Alan2005 Jan 28th 2016 12:30 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11850735)
I found it to be rather oppressive.

Granted, the tall glass building thing the have going on in the city does gives it a monolithic look. But there are trees, lakes, mountains, rivers, beaches etc nearby. It might not be your cup of tea, but if you like that kind of nature shit (which I do for the most part) Vancouver is well situated.

dbd33 Jan 28th 2016 1:15 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Jack_Judge (Post 11850646)
So there's nothing significantly different from Vancouver in a range of several thousand miles?
This is one benighted part of the world.

My daughter in Vancouver goes to Mexico City quite often, I imagine that's different to America and it's reasonably near.

Pulaski Jan 28th 2016 1:26 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11850805)
To be fair I quite openly ask Canadians why they live here.

If you're not snowboarding or golfing you may as well move to London. More money and prospects, bars and restaurants.

The OP clearly wants the latter.

This forum is a place for all view points. It always has been. Toronto deserves a lot of negative feedback. The city and it's locals spend far too much time trying to blow heat up their own arses. Too many of them need to get out of the bubble. ....

Toronto, Canada's answer to Charlotte, NC. :nod: The biggest difference, aside from the weather, is that in Charlotte you can get from building to building in the downtown area on the first floor level, not in the basement! :lol:

Piff Poff Jan 28th 2016 1:53 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11849563)
I just can't figure out how anyone pays for all the travel. Boggles my mind, but I guess I am not 20, and I didn't have the ability to travel and work around the world..... I had no idea those type of things existed when I was young enough, now I am too old, so all in the past now.

:lol:

My daughter has decided her 1st year of travel will be a WHV to Australia, for her 21st Birthday we have said when she's got the money saved we will buy her flights. Following Aus, she is looking at China and the UK - who knows? She was all for going to school before travel, I said if she really wants to travel, do it before student debt, probably odd advice from a Mum:rofl:

Dorothy Jan 28th 2016 2:30 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 
"Canadians are introverted" πŸ˜‚ I have been called a lot of things in my 53 years but introverted is definitely not one of them.

Jsmth321 Jan 28th 2016 3:28 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Piff Poff (Post 11850855)
My daughter has decided her 1st year of travel will be a WHV to Australia, for her 21st Birthday we have said when she's got the money saved we will buy her flights. Following Aus, she is looking at China and the UK - who knows? She was all for going to school before travel, I said if she really wants to travel, do it before student debt, probably odd advice from a Mum:rofl:

Yep. Once that student debt hits all bets are off for a few years...:lol:

I am not even sure if the US plays nice enough for USC's to get WHV in various countries, but had I even known they existed if they did back in my youngster days, I would have looked into it.

By the time I knew of their existence, I was well into my 30's....and had commitments in life that wouldn't have let me go anyhow....

Piff Poff Jan 28th 2016 3:35 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11850906)
Yep. Once that student debt hits all bets are off for a few years...:lol:

I am not even sure if the US plays nice enough for USC's to get WHV in various countries, but had I even known they existed if they did back in my youngster days, I would have looked into it.

By the time I knew of their existence, I was well into my 30's....and had commitments in life that wouldn't have let me go anyhow....

I hear you. By the time I realised I could've travelled it was too late - other comittments ( namely the one who is now 21;) ). Now I plan to have enough savings to see places later in life as well as the odd holiday beforehand.

discouraged Jan 28th 2016 3:50 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11850503)
These are my personal observations and I don't think I am being unfair, I came here excited with an open heart and after 2 years this is the opinion I will be leaving with.

You are not being unfair. You certainly have my respect for having the courage and honesty to say what you think - you clearly invested considerable time, effort and money into moving to Canada and as such you are more than entitled to express an opinion based upon your own personal experiences. Take no notice of the fan boys (and girls) who criticise you for doing so - some of them probably feel the same as you but because of the considerable time, effort and money they have invested, lack the courage to admit it.

FWIW, it took me 5 years to reach the same conclusions as you because I wanted to give it the best possible chance and be sure, but in truth I saw the signs much earlier than that. Best wishes for the future.

Stinkypup Jan 28th 2016 4:49 am

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Originally Posted by discouraged (Post 11850917)
You are not being unfair. You certainly have my respect for having the courage and honesty to say what you think - you clearly invested considerable time, effort and money into moving to Canada and as such you are more than entitled to express an opinion based upon your own personal experiences. Take no notice of the fan boys (and girls) who criticise you for doing so - some of them probably feel the same as you but because of the considerable time, effort and money they have invested, lack the courage to admit it.

FWIW, it took me 5 years to reach the same conclusions as you because I wanted to give it the best possible chance and be sure, but in truth I saw the signs much earlier than that. Best wishes for the future.

Seriously? Reasoned debate is great, that is a ridiculous expression. The OP expressed themselves, that is fine, they asked a question, they got a lot of comments which were entirely predictable, beforehand I could have predictable those piping up with their usual platitudes, again fine but when she gets an opposing view she gets snarky and resents it......:sneaky:
With regards to your own comments, amazingly some of us aren't kidding ourselves, we are thriving and happy here so maybe, just maybe YOU are mistaken. It is an open forum and you have to wear your big boy/girl pants and take it as well as give it which hasn't seemed to have happened

Jsmth321 Jan 28th 2016 4:56 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Piff Poff (Post 11850909)
I hear you. By the time I realised I could've travelled it was too late - other comittments ( namely the one who is now 21;) ). Now I plan to have enough savings to see places later in life as well as the odd holiday beforehand.

Upside to not having a kid early is I got to do some travel, downside if we ever have a kid, we might very well be too old to travel once said kid is grown......:lol:

Siouxie Jan 28th 2016 5:18 am

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Originally Posted by discouraged (Post 11850917)
You are not being unfair. You certainly have my respect for having the courage and honesty to say what you think - you clearly invested considerable time, effort and money into moving to Canada and as such you are more than entitled to express an opinion based upon your own personal experiences. Take no notice of the fan boys (and girls) who criticise you for doing so - some of them probably feel the same as you but because of the considerable time, effort and money they have invested, lack the courage to admit it.

FWIW, it took me 5 years to reach the same conclusions as you because I wanted to give it the best possible chance and be sure, but in truth I saw the signs much earlier than that. Best wishes for the future.

With respect, nobody is criticising the OP for having an opinion - everyone is entitled to one, including yourself - nor was I criticising her when I mentioned about her first post being negative, I was genuinely curious as it's not that common for people to join a forum purely to vent their dislike of a place... however, she is perfectly free to do so!

I think for every unhappy camper that posts there's probably another 50 that are perfectly happy and don't even know BE exists to post their response - they are too busy enjoying their lives.

Canada isn't for everyone - there is no 'one size fits all' - and a lot of expats have a choice whether to stay or not (I say a lot because for some it isn't feasible to leave). The OP has exercised that choice and everybody wishes her well in her move back to the UK - or where-ever she ends up living.

:)

discouraged Jan 28th 2016 5:21 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Stinkypup (Post 11850948)
Seriously? Reasoned debate is great, that is a ridiculous expression. The OP expressed themselves, that is fine, they asked a question, they got a lot of comments which were entirely predictable, beforehand I could have predictable those piping up with their usual platitudes, again fine but when she gets an opposing view she gets snarky and resents it......:sneaky:With regards to your own comments, amazingly some of us aren't kidding ourselves, we are thriving and happy here so maybe, just maybe YOU are mistaken. It is an open forum and you have to wear your big boy/girl pants and take it as well as give it which hasn't seemed to happen

Q.E.D. ;)

jock_mcbile Jan 28th 2016 5:38 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 11850878)
"Canadians are introverted" πŸ˜‚ I have been called a lot of things in my 53 years but introverted is definitely not one of them.

Generally speaking, Canadians are more reserved than Brits, Americans, Aussies, etc. Doesn't mean there aren't exceptions. You know, it's not an insult to be called introverted.

Stinkypup Jan 28th 2016 5:41 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by discouraged (Post 11850978)
Q.E.D. ;)

That is a strange counter.. You alluded that the majority of expats either are leaving/left or can't leave which simply isn't true- I felt Siouxie summed that point very well. Judging by your previous posts, you too fall in the "Unhappy and not exactly thriving camp of expats in Canada" which is a shame but that is life and hopefully it was hopefully a worthwhile experience for you. Meanwhile us fanboys and girls will carry on enjoying life here in Dullsville

Oh, and I stand corrected, when I said big boy/girl pants, in your I case I mean "legal briefs" - this would be appropriate for both genders (although weirdly boy briefs seems to ironically be more appropriate for women..go figure!:confused:)

snoopdawg Jan 28th 2016 6:07 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11850735)
I found it to be rather oppressive.

Given the beauty of it's surroundings, your comment says more about you than Vancouver.


I have more than enough money to move back IF I wanted, but after 6 1/2 years I don't.
I love the mountains, I love the ocean, I love the beauty of the gulf islands.
I love the Okanagan, the incredible lakes, the wineries, the amazing "champagne" snow that I've never encountered on any skiing trip in Europe.
I love watching ospreys from my living room, watching 6 bald eagles jousting mere feet in front of my deck (yesterday), looking out for bears in my garden, listening to owls and coyotes at night, even watching out for cougars whilst walking the dog. I love raccoons , marmots and chipmunks. I love the ever changing beautiful birds in my garden with the changes of seasons. I love listening to crickets and frogs at night in summer.

We're not all here for "culture"/ nightlife. I've lived in London and hated every second. I've loved living in rural Scotland, North Norfolk, rural Worcestershire even rural Greater Manchester- yes such a place exists. But where I live now feels "wilder" if that makes sense.

Canadians that I've met have fairly strong political views. The trips they go on cover most of the globe including Antarctica.Yes there are those who only go to Mexico but how many Brits stick to Spain?

My job here is far more enjoyable than the UK, my kids are happy and I think even the dog would give a paws up if asked.

Each to his/ her own, but to suggest that expats only stay because they lack that courage to go back to the UK is ridiculous. Maybe, just maybe some of us love Canada!:p

Jsmth321 Jan 28th 2016 6:23 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by snoopdawg (Post 11851014)
Given the beauty of it's surroundings, your comment says more about you than Vancouver.


I have more than enough money to move back IF I wanted, but after 6 1/2 years I don't.
I love the mountains, I love the ocean, I love the beauty of the gulf islands.
I love the Okanagan, the incredible lakes, the wineries, the amazing "champagne" snow that I've never encountered on any skiing trip in Europe.
I love watching ospreys from my living room, watching 6 bald eagles jousting mere feet in front of my deck (yesterday), looking out for bears in my garden, listening to owls and coyotes at night, even watching out for cougars whilst walking the dog. I love raccoons , marmots and chipmunks. I love the ever changing beautiful birds in my garden with the changes of seasons. I love listening to crickets and frogs at night in summer.

We're not all here for "culture"/ nightlife. I've lived in London and hated every second. I've loved living in rural Scotland, North Norfolk, rural Worcestershire even rural Greater Manchester- yes such a place exists. But where I live now feels "wilder" if that makes sense.

Canadians that I've met have fairly strong political views. The trips they go on cover most of the globe including Antarctica.Yes there are those who only go to Mexico but how many Brits stick to Spain?

My job here is far more enjoyable than the UK, my kids are happy and I think even the dog would give a paws up if asked.

Each to his/ her own, but to suggest that expats only stay because they lack that courage to go back to the UK is ridiculous. Maybe, just maybe some of us love Canada!:p

Really the only problem with Vancouver is cost of housing and basic needs, otherwise it's quite a nice city in my view.

We would certainly choose Vancouver over anywhere else in the province, but there is no housing within our budget, but would be quite nice if we could live in an apartment downtown or along sky train line.

I am more urban, so my ideal place to live is downtown, walk nearly everywhere or be within a very short commute on sky train. Have no car etc.


Of the major city's I have been to, Vancouver is the best of them.

But I am not looking for culture, not even sure what that is supposed to mean.

snoopdawg Jan 28th 2016 6:49 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11851018)

But I am not looking for culture, not even sure what that is supposed to mean.

Who knows, I agree, we Brits love to use the word as though it's a huge stick made to clobber all things Canadian, or North American in general. But the Grand Canyon, Bryce, the Icefields Parkway, Yosemite, Yellowstone ( to name only a few) can clobber British "culture" in my book. I may be in a minority on here - oddly - but I genuinely love the beauty and wildlife of North America.

Oink Jan 28th 2016 7:12 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11850735)
I found it to be rather oppressive.

It certainly can be in the seven months of winter, what with the constant rain and all encompassing grey skies it can feel rather overwhelming. That said, one's outlook here can be greatly improved when you find those little nuggets of joy that are hidden about the city. For instance, The Copper Chimney does a rather tasty and reasonable lunch in traditional tiffin lunch boxes. My advice is to only go on a Tues, Weds or Thurs the other days are meatless affairs so rather pointless. Its not very spicy but it can really brighten up a dull and wet day to a nice lunch to look forward to.

I am I said Jan 28th 2016 7:39 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11850735)
I found it to be rather oppressive.

As others have said, these 'I am leaving Canada' threads tend to go the same way, so I rarely jump in. But I am scratching my head over this one, given Vancouver is rightly considered one of the most scenic cities in the world.... unless you mean the grey and wet winters? If so, drive up to the mountains... that drizzle in the city means lovely snow higher up.
Oh, perhaps you don't like the outdoors? If so, that was not the best choice of city.

Novocastrian Jan 28th 2016 7:57 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by I am I said (Post 11851053)
As others have said, these 'I am leaving Canada' threads tend to go the same way, so I rarely jump in. But I am scratching my head over this one, given Vancouver is rightly considered one of the most scenic cities in the world.... unless you mean the grey and wet winters? If so, drive up to the mountains... that drizzle in the city means lovely snow higher up.
Oh, perhaps you don't like the outdoors? If so, that was not the best choice of city.

I'm only quoting your post because it's the most recent one quoting my brief remark that I found Vancouver to be oppressive.

I'm sorry, but I did on the several occasions that I was there on business. I found the surrounding ring of no doubt impressive mountains and the endless Pacific ocean to be inescapable and constant reminders of how very very isolated the place is.

Yes, you can drive into Washington but who on earth wants to do that?

And @snoopdawg, I've never been to the Okanagan. Ever heard of the seven year itch?

caretaker Jan 28th 2016 1:38 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 
I am Canadian, and I love Canada but there are things I don't like about TO and things I don't like about Vancouver, not least that they are big cities. I don't think there is a perfect place or we'd know about it. There are a couple of spots I thought were so beautiful I'd want to live there just to be in the postcard, but that isn't very practical. I know people who moved to Vancouver for the progressive arty hippie lifestyle and have complained about struggling to support themselves ever since, even though they still have their lifestyle (for the most part) because of their work and because their friends from the old days are still there, but they love Vancouver and would never move. I just realised they've gone from party every weekend in the 80's to 0 parties, only on special occasions. Forty some years ago when I was exploring Toronto and Vancouver those places seemed more exotic, and I think they were. They've changed so much and my memories from then mirror some of the old photos in archives. When I'm away I get homesick for Canada, for Saskatchewan, and even for North Central Regina. :wave:

humanist Jan 28th 2016 2:52 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 
Why the emphasis on travelling anyway, does it give you extra kudos or bragging rights to be able to reel off a list of exotic locations you've visited? It's a bit like the page on FB where you can pin all the different countries you've visited in a boastful attempt to cover the entire world.

I'm a greenie, so when someone talks about flying around the world the first thing I think of is how can that selfish bugger sleep at night with a carbon footprint that big!

Then again I'm a total hypocrite as I did a bit of travelling before kids came along, but I do feel guilty about it .....that makes it ok, right?

Fact is, if you like zipping off on the weekend to a different country to soak up some culture, speak a different language, see some nice architecture and eat an interesting meal, don't come to Canada! Unless you continually fly back and forth to Quebec City of course.

MarylandNed Jan 28th 2016 2:56 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Stinkypup (Post 11850598)
Opinions are very polarised on this topic- those who are very happy with this country probably just cant be arsed to rise to the bait.

Or don't spend their time on an immigration forum at all!

I've read the comments with some amusement. You could predict the negative comments from the usual suspects.

All comments are anecdotal anyway and you'd need to have a massive sample to really give much meaning to them. All we can go by is our personal experiences added to those of others - and we give relative weight to those based on how well we know the person (i.e. forum members get the least weighting of all!).

My anecdotal story in brief. My wife and I lived in and around Toronto for 7 years and loved it. We met many people who moved from the UK and Ireland to Toronto temporarily and permanently and I honestly can't recall any of them saying that they didn't like Toronto overall. There were aspects that some of them didn't like (e.g. weather, traffic, etc) although those things didn't bother others. Some of the complaints were due to things they missed about back home (decent beer and pubs, Indian restaurants, football, etc) but then those things were not issues for others. Live anywhere for any length of time and you'll find things you don't like or things you miss about back home. Overall I never heard the very negative comments that I see on this forum.

If it doesn't work out for you personally, you move on if possible. Life is much too short to spend time living somewhere you personally don't like. I know things become more complicated when you have a family. It's certainly more difficult to move when kids reach a certain age or when they've grown and put down roots of their own. But the OP is not in that situation.

At the same time, know that there are plenty of people who don't like cities in the UK. I lived in Belfast, Manchester and London. I know many people who liked those places enough to stay - and many who disliked them enough to leave. Much depends on your own personal interests and experiences.


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