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bats Jan 29th 2016 7:47 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11853083)
While this year the count is way down, we usually get a huge population of bald eagles in Dec/Jan, but this year they didn't come in mass, but with the poor salmon conditions, isn't surprising, they went where the food is, plus Alaska is having a milder winter which keeps them from needing to come south.

Hell even the geese stuck around this winter.



BC Hydro say's underground wires cost too much.

The eagles are all in Ontario. Many sightings this winter

Stinkypup Jan 29th 2016 7:48 pm

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 11853137)
The eagles are all in Ontario. Many sightings this winter

We have a good number here.. :cool:

Jsmth321 Jan 29th 2016 7:59 pm

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Originally Posted by Stinkypup (Post 11853139)
We have a good number here.. :cool:

The official count for 2016 for this area is 411, the lowest in the 30 years they have been counting.

1994 was the best year with 3,769.

Eagles

Alan2005 Jan 29th 2016 8:00 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 
I saw a squirrel when out walking the dog this morning.

Stinkypup Jan 29th 2016 8:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11853162)
I saw a squirrel when out walking the dog this morning.

:rofl:

We have less squirrels in our area- I think less are flying South this year- we may need to do a squirrel count - something I could set my 15 year old on to get him away from his bloody computer

JonboyE Jan 29th 2016 8:17 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 
There are a lot of eagles around Boundary Bay this year. Quite a few over-winter here. Easy pickings at the municipal waste transfer site.

dasalcedo Jan 29th 2016 10:56 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 
I went to Toronto last December to activate my PR and spent a month at my brother's place in Etobicoke. Saw lots of squirrels everyday, everywhere and anytime!!! it was very cool.

I live in Adelaide and I'm waiting for my wife to pass the Physio tests in order to make the move to Canada soon.

Jsmth321 Jan 29th 2016 11:12 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by dasalcedo (Post 11853351)
I went to Toronto last December to activate my PR and spent a month at my brother's place in Etobicoke. Saw lots of squirrels everyday, everywhere and anytime!!! it was very cool.

I live in Adelaide and I'm waiting for my wife to pass the Physio tests in order to make the move to Canada soon.

When I got to Ontario from BC in 2012 for my short stint there, I could not believe the amount of squirrels, they were all over, everyplace I went, I saw the buggers.

I rarely see any in BC.

But I see more bears here then I did in ON.

beckiwoo Jan 29th 2016 11:25 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 
Question for the OP...

I see from your original post you have held PR status for 2 years...

Did you come out beforehand on an IEC or TWP to get an idea if you would like to live here permeantly?

rivingtonpike Jan 30th 2016 1:16 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 11853366)
Question for the OP... I see from your original post you have held PR status for 2 years... Did you come out beforehand on an IEC or TWP to get an idea if you would like to live here permeantly?

It seems she did a 2 year IEC applied for PR and got it back in November, 2 months ago. Why she went to the trouble and expense of getting PR status for a country she's about to leave is beyond me. The IEC visa would have given her exactly what it is purposed for - a 2 year holiday working visa and then she'd have gone home by now anyway.

Siouxie Jan 30th 2016 2:04 am

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Originally Posted by rivingtonpike (Post 11853420)
It seems she did a 2 year IEC applied for PR and got it back in November, 2 months ago. Why she went to the trouble and expense of getting PR status for a country she's about to leave is beyond me. The IEC visa would have given her exactly what it is purposed for - a 2 year holiday working visa and then she'd have gone home by now anyway.

Perhaps she will change her mind when she's been back for a short while and return to a different area. I think it's called keeping your options open - chances are she applied quite early on if she's just got PR.

To each their own.

:)

plasticcanuck Jan 30th 2016 2:16 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by rivingtonpike (Post 11853420)
It seems she did a 2 year IEC applied for PR and got it back in November, 2 months ago. Why she went to the trouble and expense of getting PR status for a country she's about to leave is beyond me. The IEC visa would have given her exactly what it is purposed for - a 2 year holiday working visa and then she'd have gone home by now anyway.

When people write on here that they're proposing to return to the UK they are almost always advised to obtain their PR/Citizenship status before leaving. She has just done the same thing, lest her return to the UK isn't all she expects it to be. I suspect a romance or a job has gone tits up and for a reason known only to herself she's decided that it's the fault of this horrible country.
If she needs a ride to the airport on departure day I'm more than happy to accommodate her, free of charge.

Haylee32 Jan 30th 2016 12:58 pm

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Originally Posted by plasticcanuck (Post 11853443)
When people write on here that they're proposing to return to the UK they are almost always advised to obtain their PR/Citizenship status before leaving. She has just done the same thing, lest her return to the UK isn't all she expects it to be. I suspect a romance or a job has gone tits up and for a reason known only to herself she's decided that it's the fault of this horrible country.
If she needs a ride to the airport on departure day I'm more than happy to accommodate her, free of charge.

I suggest you stop suspecting and start reading.
My job is fine, no romance went tits up. I'm way too level headed to be getting emotional over a man to the point id actually leave a country. To suggest such thing is rather sexist especially that I have already explained my reasons.

Is it really so hard to believe that someone might not like living in Canada? Impossible, right? Because you love it so much your tiny teeny brain could not possibly comprehend that someone might feel differently.

Haylee32 Jan 30th 2016 1:03 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 11853366)
Question for the OP...

I see from your original post you have held PR status for 2 years...

Did you come out beforehand on an IEC or TWP to get an idea if you would like to live here permeantly?

I came here on IEC and it got my PR within 4 months of applying, it was a cheap and easy process since they introduced express entry procedure.

I wanted to get PR since I came here, that was the plan. Prior to moving here I've never been to Canada.

MrHyperPants Jan 30th 2016 1:50 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11849563)
I just can't figure out how anyone pays for all the travel. Boggles my mind, but I guess I am not 20, and I didn't have the ability to travel and work around the world..... I had no idea those type of things existed when I was young enough, now I am too old, so all in the past now.

:lol:

Check out this book.

Vagabonding: An Uncommon Guide to the Art of Long-Term World Travel


Shirtback Jan 30th 2016 3:45 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11853722)
Is it really so hard to believe that someone might not like living in Canada? Impossible, right? Because you love it so much your tiny teeny brain could not possibly comprehend that someone might feel differently.

I'd venture to say that quite a lot of us aren't overly enamoured about living in Canada. Some of us neither love nor hate the place, even after many years. I can bitch 'Til the cows come home about Canada, AND several other countries I've lived & worked in. I'm usually to be found in the "same sh*t, different bucket" crowd.

If you've decided you don't like it, aren't happy here & are going back to the UK, fine. At least you tried it & well done for doing so (sincerely).

I'm not getting your animosity at OPs who have picked out & are discussing the points you originally mentioned from their personal viewpoints.

Finally: Toronto /= Canada, just as London /= UK.

Shard Jan 30th 2016 3:53 pm

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Originally Posted by Shirtback (Post 11853794)
I'm not getting your animosity at OPs who have picked out & are discussing the points you originally mentioned from their personal viewpoints.

.

Ditto.

rivingtonpike Jan 30th 2016 3:55 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11853722)
I suggest you stop suspecting and start reading.
My job is fine, no romance went tits up. I'm way too level headed to be getting emotional over a man to the point id actually leave a country. To suggest such thing is rather sexist especially that I have already explained my reasons.

Is it really so hard to believe that someone might not like living in Canada? Impossible, right? Because you love it so much your tiny teeny brain could not possibly comprehend that someone might feel differently.

You are just plain rude. This is in no way a mature way to further your opinion. Your arrogance that someone might not agree with you is no reason for insults; regardless of who might be right or wrong.

caretaker Jan 30th 2016 5:46 pm

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British people just fight all the time. Their history proves it. :popcorn:

Alex2201 Jan 30th 2016 8:23 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Shirtback (Post 11853794)
I'd venture to say that quite a lot of us aren't overly enamored about living in Canada. Some of us neither love nor hate the place, even after many years.

There are also those of us who are just in the wrong part of the country and would probably be better suited to another part. I completely agree with the Toronto Canada London UK point.

I think a lot of what the OP said about Canada is true in very broad strokes but there is good bad and ugly everything everywhere. I for one would prefer to remove various body parts with a rusty bread knife than live in London. But that is me and my preference.

Good luck to the OP going to London.

Alan2005 Jan 30th 2016 8:35 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11853796)
Ditto.

I dunno as I haven't read every post. Maybe no particular one is overly ad-hominem or what have you, but the cumulative weight of posts criticizing the OP (along with the passive/aggresive creation of the mirror thread) does make us look a little bit reactionary and defensive.

Shard Jan 30th 2016 9:55 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11853982)
I dunno as I haven't read every post. Maybe no particular one is overly ad-hominem or what have you, but the cumulative weight of posts criticizing the OP (along with the passive/aggresive creation of the mirror thread) does make us look a little bit reactionary and defensive.

I read the whole pack (belatedly) and tend to agree with you. Nevertheless it's a two way street and I think Shirtback's comment is valid.

caretaker Jan 30th 2016 10:24 pm

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Originally Posted by plasticcanuck (Post 11853443)
If she needs a ride to the airport on departure day I'm more than happy to accommodate her, free of charge.

Make him do it, shame him into doing it or if not practicable make him pony up the cash for cab and tip to cover his boast. It's the Canadian way.

bats Jan 30th 2016 11:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Haylee32 (Post 11853722)
I suggest you stop suspecting and start reading.
My job is fine, no romance went tits up. I'm way too level headed to be getting emotional over a man to the point id actually leave a country. To suggest such thing is rather sexist especially that I have already explained my reasons.

Is it really so hard to believe that someone might not like living in Canada? Impossible, right? Because you love it so much your tiny teeny brain could not possibly comprehend that someone might feel differently.

I disliked living here for several years after we arrived and would have gone back if it were possible. Now almost 10 years later I like my life here.

You're young, you don't have to hang around it it isn't for you. Life is too short to waste on crap relationships whether with a country or a human.

JamesM Jan 31st 2016 12:24 am

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Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 11854034)
Make him do it, shame him into doing it or if not practicable make him pony up the cash for cab and tip to cover his boast. It's the Canadian way.

I've only ever had good experiences with Toronto Airport Limo drivers.

One time I landed in Canada and my bank cards didn't work. The fella not only dropped me at destination but gave me $20 to buy dinner.

Then at Christmas when I went back to Blighty. I was on the lash till 3am. When the Limo arrived to pick me up at 6am the guy took one look at me and then ran across the road to Tim Hortons to buy me a coffee and muffin.

Make sure you get the "extras"......

JamesM Jan 31st 2016 12:38 am

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 11854062)
I disliked living here for several years after we arrived and would have gone back if it were possible. Now almost 10 years later I like my life here.

You're young, you don't have to hang around it it isn't for you. Life is too short to waste on crap relationships whether with a country or a human.

Yup. Nothing wrong with missing London at all. I miss things often.

Stinkypup Jan 31st 2016 6:09 am

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Originally Posted by Tirytory (Post 11851564)
They get black widows in their garden too mind😳

Ok TT, I found this going through my hard drives- it isn't however Sasqwatch, a badger or a moose which will disappoint Oink but I think I will live with that.

Stinky bounded down the path just down from us and leaped at high(ish) speed right over the little fella shown below. He won that game of chicken!:cool:

A Northern Pacific rattlesnake- a baby... and so was I:lol:

DrealDeel Jan 31st 2016 10:36 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11853982)
I dunno as I haven't read every post. Maybe no particular one is overly ad-hominem or what have you, but the cumulative weight of posts criticizing the OP (along with the passive/aggresive creation of the mirror thread) does make us look a little bit reactionary and defensive.

Nicely understated.

This was a relatively carefully worded post about personal experience, with the necessary caveats in place to dissuade reactionary comments. If differing experiences could be provided without snarkiness and personal attacks, this would have been more informative. Instead we got 'no research, hanging with wrong people, why did you get PR, I'll take you to the airport'.
And when the OP defends herself against the unnecessary personal attacks, she is the bad guy? To be fair, it has been worse in the past - the enthusiastic leaping to the defence of your snarky mates, jumping on the personal criticism of OP bandwagon etc. Small mercies and all that.
I'm a fan of Toronto - great vibe, traffic, stuff to do for the family, good choice of suburbs and schools, Pearson gets you to lots of interesting US places within 2h. My list of what I enjoy about it. But I have 3 kids, get paid shedloads more than in the UK and my kids have embraced art exhibitions in downtown, our local library has a 3D printer and we are now committed 'dining outers'. I would probably have a different experience and opinion if single etc. Interestingly, my relatively un-savvy kids have been surprised at the blandness and mediocrity (not been speaking to Oink, afaik!) of some of their cradle counterparts. 'Dad, the answer was on the board and they still got it wrong'! Probably a case of being used to your own kind of stupid etc...
Although I am essentially a fan of Canada/Canadians, some of the usual charges on this site are, on reflection, true in my experience. This is evident when comparing my cradle (I hope that is not derogatory btw) colleagues to my UK colleagues. A roundabout way of saying Canadians are different. That's ok.
Great idea to get PR. For a few years at least, you will have a choice if your circumstances change.

Pizzawheel Jan 31st 2016 5:25 pm

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As the OP for the third spin-off thread, I think this belonged on The Maple Leaf from the start. It's been treated like a bantering/ gossip subject anyhow; the question doesn't lend itself to the sort of objective answer you'd expect on the main Canada branch.

I also think Haylee has given as good as she's got so I'm not bothered by any internet bullying worries.

We've just taken 20 pages to establish that cradles are different from Brits and Canada is a whole different proposition, for better or for worse, than other countries mentioned.

caretaker Jan 31st 2016 5:46 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 
There's a big thread in the Canada forum re: differences between Brits and Canadians from several years ago.. pages and pages.

JamesM Jan 31st 2016 6:42 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 
What I don't understand is this thread has two stars?

I've been visiting this forum for near on 10 years and I still have no clue how to rate threads.

I'm fine with Haylee's position. 2 and a half years is plenty of time to live in and evaluate a city and if you've lived somewhere you've preferred then why not head back to it. You have one life to live so you may as well optimise the experience.

The nightlife in Toronto is disappointing if you have lived in London or New York and had a well established circle of friends.

When I lived in Clapham all the people I knew were from either workplaces or back from High School or Varsity. Other than house mate's I knew nobody in the neighbourhood.

In Toronto despite living in a new glass tower near the Gardiner I know lots of local people and one of the reasons I remain is I feel part of a community where I bump into my neighbours.

I realise though that I approached living in Toronto differently to how I did when I lived in London. In London I could have immersed more so in many respects maybe should not have moved in the first place.

Sometimes though you need the change to spark other changes. People should be encouraged to move on and better themselves.

Canadian's are an odd breed. I think the Brits and Antipodeans more closely align.

caretaker Jan 31st 2016 7:25 pm

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And the Aussies slam the Poms too, I know from eavestroughing on their forum.

caretaker Jan 31st 2016 7:27 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11854084)
I've only ever had good experiences with Toronto Airport Limo drivers.

One time I landed in Canada and my bank cards didn't work. The fella not only dropped me at destination but gave me $20 to buy dinner.

Then at Christmas when I went back to Blighty. I was on the lash till 3am. When the Limo arrived to pick me up at 6am the guy took one look at me and then ran across the road to Tim Hortons to buy me a coffee and muffin.

Make sure you get the "extras"......

Hope it costs him a hundred bucks rudeness tax.

JamesM Jan 31st 2016 7:40 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 11854625)
And the Aussies slam the Poms too, I know from eavestroughing on their forum.

Australians slam everything. They're perennial whiners.

That's the irony of the whinging poms thing.

Siouxie Jan 31st 2016 7:48 pm

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11854598)
What I don't understand is this thread has two stars?

I've been visiting this forum for near on 10 years and I still have no clue how to rate threads.

British Expats - FAQ: General Forum Usage

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Click on 'rating'
Select.

2 Stars is "Average", by the way.

:)

ChrisBan Jan 31st 2016 8:57 pm

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Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 11854643)
British Expats - FAQ: General Forum Usage

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2 Stars is "Average", by the way.

:)

I gave it the 1 star a few days back :thumbup: so someone else came in and gave it a 5

Alan2005 Jan 31st 2016 9:37 pm

Re: Is anyone else massively disappointed in Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 11854643)
British Expats - FAQ: General Forum Usage

Go to the top of the page for the thread.
Click on 'rating'
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2 Stars is "Average", by the way.

:)

This is great. I'm gonna rate loads of threads from now on.

JamesM Jan 31st 2016 10:04 pm

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11854726)
This is great. I'm gonna rate loads of threads from now on.

#BestFeatureEver

bakedbean Jan 31st 2016 10:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11849039)
"Same $4!t, different bucket", is a phrase that gets thrown around a fair bit on BE, in the forums for several different countries. I really don't agree in most cases, but it doesn't matter which country/ city you relocate to around the world, if you don't do your due diligence before you decide where to go, you may easily find that your life is no better than where you came from, and could easily be worse. :(

Yes, it can apply to many countries, but you never really know how life will be until you move to a place, and sometimes places have surprises :sneaky:

It's OK to move again. Why not? Just treat it as a life experience. It's not as if you've failed some test.

I didn't get on well living in Thailand but, that's OK. Experienced it. Others enjoy it (horses for courses). Eventually moved on to somewhere else.

Best of luck to the OP. Enjoy life.

Pizzawheel Jan 31st 2016 10:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 11854643)
British Expats - FAQ: General Forum Usage

Go to the top of the page for the thread.
Click on 'rating'
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2 Stars is "Average", by the way.

:)

Not on the mobile version. However, there was a banner ad to "Meet Canadian Biker Babes" so I clicked on that instead.

Thanks Siouxie!!!


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