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Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by framac
Fatties, druggies, alkis, smokers etc. Leave the people alone
as we are all grown ups and can make our own decisions. Also, regarding the rights of individuals, what about my rights not to breath in the by product of someone elses addiction? I had the dubious pleasure of working in a small office with two smokers and everyday without question I would return home stinking of bloody fags. One of the noticable things in Oz is that I can walk around without smelling cigarettes and go for a meal without some dickhead sparking up on the table next to me. Jeeze I used to HATE it when that happened. I guess my take on it is that if you want to smoke, do the bloody thing in your own home. |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by gsb
I guess my take on it is that if you want to smoke, do the bloody thing in your own home. When we have smoker friends around to our house they know that they are not to smoke indoors but to go down to the bottom of the garden and also take the fag butts with them when they are finished and not stub them out under foot and leave a rotten smelly fag butt in my garden. The only thing I dislike more than a smoker is a Jehovah's witness smoker. ;) |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
Ban cars and the filth they spew out indiscriminately over us and our children. Especially diesels. And buses that drive around 90% empty belching black smoke that makes you cough its so thick.
Oh hang on, *everyone* likes cars so the people they kill via road accidents and toxic emissions are ok. We all need cars so lets not ban them after all.:rolleyes: Despite the fact they are designed to carry 4-8 people, and spew out that amount of carbon monoxide, its still not seen as socially unacceptable for 1 person to drive these things alone. What is the world coming to. If I sat in a Restaurant and smoked 8 cigs simultaneously I'd get thrown out, and rightly so. If a diesel 'people carrier' goes past with only one person in it, thats fine. Smokers are just this generations whipping boys, then its on to enviromentalists pet peeves. JTL So the answer is to own say four cars each? Then you can take the single-seater on your own to work, the two seater for a night at the flicks with the OH, the three-sea....oh, hang on: I've just seen the flaw in the argument! And exactly the same flaw in the public transport argument: outside the rush hours, how many buses do you see tootling around doing 5mpg with one person (the driver) in? A lot! We've all got used to living at a distance from work and play, and for public transport to work at all (outside the rush hours) it has to be available within say ten minutes and get you from *any "A"* to *any "B"* easily. It won't and can't happen. The only answer is to make everyone live in hives around the city centre or ... wait for it! use the car! (Of course, the *real* answer is to reduce the population - drastically.) |
Re: Smoking in Aus
If people want to smoke then that is up to them. But they have no right to inflict it on others.
When your habit affects someone else, it isnt fair. Nor is it fair to smoke in front of your child or while you are pregant. People may say 'I smoked in front of my kids and it never hurt them' I bet a chest Xray and some lung functions would dispute that. And for those that smoked until 90 and stayed 'healthy', good for them, that is pure luck although I bet their chest sounded like an accordion. Where Abdel works, the staff opened the door of the smoking staff room, and it filled the kitchen with fag smoke. Reason? Because the smoking room got too smokey!!!!!!!! Whatever your habit is, you want to do it then fine, your choice, just not where it affects others - especially children. For the people that work in my office, if ever you read this (doubtful, but you never know), you do smell quite revolting and clients have commented on that, and the thousands of fag ends you have chucked outside just prove how dirty you, and your habit is. |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by Professional Princess
If people want to smoke then that is up to them. But they have no right to inflict it on others.
When your habit affects someone else, it isnt fair. Nor is it fair to smoke in front of your child or while you are pregant. People may say 'I smoked in front of my kids and it never hurt them' I bet a chest Xray and some lung functions would dispute that. And for those that smoked until 90 and stayed 'healthy', good for them, that is pure luck although I bet their chest sounded like an accordion. Where Abdel works, the staff opened the door of the smoking staff room, and it filled the kitchen with fag smoke. Reason? Because the smoking room got too smokey!!!!!!!! Whatever your habit is, you want to do it then fine, your choice, just not where it affects others - especially children. For the people that work in my office, if ever you read this (doubtful, but you never know), you do smell quite revolting and clients have commented on that, and the thousands of fag ends you have chucked outside just prove how dirty you, and your habit is. Or are kids breathing in your car fumes *totally* different, not the same thing at all. I mean you HAVE to use your car, and if kids breath in its exhaust, well, its only one of thousands of cars so thats ok. But bloody smokers, one whiff of cigarette smoke and everyones dying passive smoking. |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
And of course you drive a hydrogen powered car :rolleyes:
Or are kids breathing in your car fumes *totally* different, not the same thing at all. I mean you HAVE to use your car, and if kids breath in its exhaust, well, its only one of thousands of cars so thats ok. But bloody smokers, one whiff of cigarette smoke and everyones dying passive smoking. I have to say JTL I agree with you. I smoke but respect everyone elses right not to breath my smoke. Car fumes are a LOT more toxic than a bit of smoke off a cigarette and no-one seems too bothered by it :confused: |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
And of course you drive a hydrogen powered car :rolleyes:
Or are kids breathing in your car fumes *totally* different, not the same thing at all. I mean you HAVE to use your car, and if kids breath in its exhaust, well, its only one of thousands of cars so thats ok. But bloody smokers, one whiff of cigarette smoke and everyones dying passive smoking. I think you might actually need to retract that statement because neither my husband or myself drive or own a car. I am talking about smoking in your house and expecting your children to breathe it in when you are fully aware and educated on the dangers or potential dangers of passive smoking. Nobody in the world can say smoking is good for them, most people on here know what it can do, so why the hell do it in front of your kids in the house and think its OK. Your habit, your problem - not your children and just because they breathe in car exhaust fumes through perhaps walking to school etc, people dont need to add to the toxic fumes taken in by their respiratory system, by smoking in the home. It is selfish - plain and simple. |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Do you smoke after making love?
Don'y know, I've never looked. Sorry folks. Couldn't resist it :) :D :D |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by framac
Do you smoke after making love?
Don'y know, I've never looked. Sorry folks. Couldn't resist it :) :D :D |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by Professional Princess
I like smokey bacon does that count? :D
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Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by Professional Princess
I like smokey bacon does that count? :D
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Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by framac
Any beef'll do princess
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Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by Professional Princess
Or a nice bit of pork. ;)
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Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by Professional Princess
I think you might actually need to retract that statement because neither my husband or myself drive or own a car.
I am talking about smoking in your house and expecting your children to breathe it in when you are fully aware and educated on the dangers or potential dangers of passive smoking. Nobody in the world can say smoking is good for them, most people on here know what it can do, so why the hell do it in front of your kids in the house and think its OK. Your habit, your problem - not your children and just because they breathe in car exhaust fumes through perhaps walking to school etc, people dont need to add to the toxic fumes taken in by their respiratory system, by smoking in the home. It is selfish - plain and simple. Most of the time if these people WALKED their kids to school like I do it would take them less time to get there as they are not sat in traffic for most of their journey. Therefore they would be better smoking 10 cigarettes a day in front of their children than driving them to school and back every day. |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Just wanted to put my twopenny worth in, the following is taken from the ash.org website.
Extent of tobacco production Tobacco is a temperate crop which is grown in more than 100 countries world-wide, mostly in developing countries. China is the world's largest producer, followed by the USA, India, Brazil and Turkey. These five countries produce nearly two-thirds of global output. [1] Pesticides Tobacco is a sensitive plant prone to many diseases. Consequently, huge amounts of fertiliser, herbicide and pesticides are used in the growing of tobacco: up to sixteen applications may be made during a three-month growing period. Among the pesticides commonly used are aldicarb and chlorpyrifos, both highly toxic substances. Methyl bromide, an ozone-depleting chemical, is also commonly used to fumigate the soil prior to planting tobacco seedlings. In 1997, over 5.5 million pounds of methyl bromide were applied to tobacco fields worldwide. [2] The effects of these chemicals are not monitored generally but it is known that they leach into the soil and find their way into streams, rivers, and food chains. These substances may indirectly cause the genetic selection of pesticide-resistant mosquitoes or flies, making the control of diseases such as malaria much more difficult. [3] Green Tobacco Sickness In addition to the health risks posed by using pesticides, tobacco growers are susceptible to an occupational illness known as green tobacco sickness. This is caused by the absorption of nicotine through the skin from contact with wet tobacco leaves. Symptoms of GTS include nausea, weakness, dizziness and abdominal cramps, and fluctuations in blood pressure and heart rates. It is not known exactly now many tobacco workers are affected by green tobacco sickness but one study of migrant workers in North Carolina suggests that 41% of the workers get the illness at least once during harvest season. [4] Tobacco and deforestation After harvesting, tobacco is cured to preserve it for storage, transport and processing. Most tobacco is flue cured which entails passing heated air through the harvested leaves. In many developing countries trees are cut down to provide fuel for the curing process and for the construction of the curing barns. An estimated 200,000 ha of woodlands are removed by tobacco farming each year. Deforestation occurs mainly in developing countries amounting to 1.5% of global net losses of forest cover or 4.6% of total national deforestation. [5] In Malawi, which is heavily dependent on tobacco as an export crop, more than 35,000 tonnes of tobacco leaves are cured annually. About 12 cubic metres of wood are needed for every tonne of tobacco. [6] In one region of Malawi, nearly 80% of the wood cut down is used for tobacco, even though tobacco farmers make up only 3% of the farmers in the area. In semi-arid areas where tobacco thrives, the loss of trees can make land more vulnerable to desertification and unfit for agriculture. For example, in the tobacco growing Aura district of north west Uganda, sheet erosion is now very evident and much of the topsoil has been washed away. [7] Industry response Faced with dwindling sources of wood fuel, the tobacco industry has attempted to address the problem by encouraging tobacco farmers to plant trees along with tobacco. However, the plantations set up by BAT in Kenya for example, consist largely of non-native, fast-growing eucalyptus and cypresses which adversely affect biodiversity and can lower the water table. Some farmers are reluctant to use these trees as fuel, preferring instead to sell their trees as building poles while continuing to collect wood from what remains of the natural forest. [8] The production of tobacco from the planting of the seed to the marketing of the finished product is tightly controlled by the multinational companies. They offer inducements to the farmers in developing countries in the form of financial incentives, technical expertise, supplies, seeds, fertiliser, and a guaranteed foreign exchange for the tobacco crop after harvest. Although the industry provides employment for many unskilled workers and may help with education and social welfare, dependence on tobacco by the governments of poor countries means that little is done to counter the growing trend in tobacco consumption in these countries. 3 Impact on food production and health The growing of tobacco means that less land is available for food crops. While some food is grown between crops of tobacco, it has been estimated that 10 to 20 million people could be fed by food crops grown instead of tobacco. 3 A cost-benefit analysis of tobacco growing for developing countries has shown that the short-term gain from tobacco is likely to be offset by long-term costs. Many developing countries are entering a phase in which life expectancy after childhood has improved because of the control of infectious diseases but there are now substantial increases in tobacco-related illness. In Pakistan, for example, lung cancer is now the most commonly reported fatal cancer. In India, a six fold increase in mortality from bronchitis and emphysema has been recorded, coinciding with a dramatic increase in cigarette consumption. Tobacco consumption may affect whole families indirectly. A study in Bangladesh found that tobacco expenditure compounds the effects of poverty and cause a serious decline in living standards amongst the poor. [9] Diversification In developed countries, a fall in domestic consumption combined with higher labour costs has prompted a move towards diversification into other crops. In Canada, for example, the number of farms producing tobacco decreased from 2916 in 1981 to 1326 in 1992. [10] Pollution Burning tobacco is the main source of indoor pollution in the developed world. Tobacco smoke contains about 4,000 chemicals including carcinogens, irritants and toxic gases. The health impact of breathing environmental tobacco smoke is well documented. See Fact sheet no 8, Passive smoking or the more detailed Passive smoking brief for further information. A US study highlighted the damage discarded cigarette ends cause to the marine environment. One living organism tested to determine the level of chemical in the environment was the planktonic animal Daphinia magna (Water Flea). The study revealed that chemicals in cigarette butts are highly toxic to water fleas at concentrations above 0.125 cigarette butts per litre of water. [11] The International Costal Clean up Day’s 2003 worldwide beach, river and streams clean-up found cigarette litter to be the major source of debris, accounting for 29.5 percent of all items found and numbering 1.922 million. [12] In a survey conducted by Keep Britain Tidy in 2002, cigarette-related litter was found in 77 per cent of all locations across Britain. [13] As part of its reclaim the streets campaign, The Daily Mirror found that cigarette ends, packets and matches were the most commonly found items of rubbish, with 122 tonnes of cigarette related rubbish being dropped every day across the UK. [14] Fire Cigarettes and matches are a common cause of fires. Smokers’ materials and matches were the most frequent source of ignition causing accidental dwelling fire deaths in 2002. The leading cause of fatal accidental dwelling fires (40% of the total) was careless handling of fire or hot substances (such as the careless disposal of cigarettes). The number of deaths in this category fell slightly, from 147 in 2001 to 141 in 2002. This continues the general downward trend – in 1992 the figure stood at 207. Domestic fires caused by smokers’ materials (i.e. lighters, cigarettes, cigars or pipe tobacco) fell by 9% to 4,400. [15] Can't see the sense in smoking personally. |
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