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Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by Jude J
(Post 4261958)
I stopped smoking in 2000. It was the hardest thing I have ever done. I lasted two years and was over the addiction, only just! when in a moment of maddness I had one. Before I knew it I was on 10 a day again. I stopped again when I was pregnant and stupidly enough had one last year. I now smoke when I am out for a drink and some evenings, in the garden, once the baby is in bed, so on average 5/6 a day.
When I was in Oz for Christmas I was a bit put out that I couldn't even sit outside a bar and have a smoke. I had to stand away in the street! But I could also see what a good thing it is, those who also wanted to sit outside and have a drink or meal didn't have the smoke wafting about quite as much as if I had been sitting at a nearby table. On a night out where I would normally have 5 or 6 smokes, I actually only had 2. Good luck to everyone who is stopping, it does get better, and one day you will wake up feeling so bloody pleased with yourself it is one of the best feelings :) I'm having another go before my sister comes for a visit. She has battled breast cancer over the past few months and it would cause her unneccessary pain to see me smoking. Good on you mate, I'm down to about 6 or 7 a day now from smoking 20 - 25 a day in the UK. I know stopping completely is better, but I'm getting there and will do it!! :) Only one other thing though, smoking does not cause Breast Cancer. It is usually caused by a faulty gene and is more than not hereditary. It does contribute to lung cancer though and that's even worse to watch |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Hi
In South Australia smoking is banned inside workplaces but you can go outside the building and have a smoke. There are lots of butt-bins everywhere so you don't have to drop it on the floor. Some pubs have smoking bars, you are not permitted to smoke at the table if you are eating and you have to be a metre away from the bar, or some places make you go outside. Most cafes and pubs that have tables outside are quite happy for you to smoke there. You can smoke in most public places and on the beach. Jo |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by mick_newcastle
(Post 3575435)
Valid Point - that you make - the NHS would finish.
Would it? 75% I believe if I remember correctly, of the expenditure of the NHS is on smoking related disease. Just imagine if they didn't have to spend that money and could use it for other things. |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by iPom
(Post 4262360)
Would it? 75% I believe if I remember correctly, of the expenditure of the NHS is on smoking related disease. Just imagine if they didn't have to spend that money and could use it for other things.
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Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 4262366)
I think smoking is estimated to cost the NHS about 2billion per annum. Tax on tobacco raises about 9billion.
I was shocked to find out that the chemicals in cigarettes hang around in your system for 10 years after quitting, so all those women who quit when they're pregnant, the chemicals are still going to affect the baby, but obviously in declining levels as time goes on if you continue not to smoke. |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by iPom
(Post 4262381)
Does it? I have no idea. I haven't smoked for years. That's fairly shocking.
Yep, that's about right. That's why they will not be banned altogether :) |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 4262366)
I think smoking is estimated to cost the NHS about 2billion per annum. Tax on tobacco raises about 9billion.
Taxation · The Treasury earned £8,103 million in revenue from tobacco duties for the financial year 2004-2005 (excluding VAT). Health Costs · Smoking costs the National Health Service approximately £1.5 billion a year for treating diseases caused by smoking. This includes the cost of hospital admissions, GP consultations and prescriptions. The state also pays for sickness/invalidity benefits, widows’ pensions and other social security benefits for dependants. Ash The NHS budget is about £75 Billion... |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 4259687)
I don't.
I get a mouthful of cigarette smoke from the other side of the road and my mouth and throat burn for half an hour. I wouldn't expect you to believe or even understand that, but it is completely true. Hey lets ban cars!!!! And Buses!! Oh hang on, we ALL use them so no, lets pretend they don't spew loads more pollution than a smoker does. :rolleyes: Its the guy across the street having a fag thats making me cough, not the 1970s holden with black smoke coming out its exhaust. I'm not pro-smoking, but for god sake, cut the lame 'cough cough your choking me' stuff. Or else if you do pick on a smoker on the street, I trust you'll also go over to the next diesel car stopped at the lights and kick his doors and do a 'cough cough'. JTL |
Re: Smoking in Aus
I liked the smoking ban in Scotland and I like it here (well in relation to pubs etc.) It means I smell nicer. If I want a fag I go to am area I am allowed to that does not upset people.
Sadly it normally places me under the hole in the Ozone layer... skin cancer is an issue too. Turn that kettle off please. |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
(Post 4266598)
Yet somehow you manage to walk down the road with cars and buses and lorries belching out hundreds of times the amount of toxic chemicals that a single smoker across the street does :rolleyes:
Hey lets ban cars!!!! And Buses!! Oh hang on, we ALL use them so no, lets pretend they don't spew loads more pollution than a smoker does. :rolleyes: Its the guy across the street having a fag thats making me cough, not the 1970s holden with black smoke coming out its exhaust. I'm not pro-smoking, but for god sake, cut the lame 'cough cough your choking me' stuff. Or else if you do pick on a smoker on the street, I trust you'll also go over to the next diesel car stopped at the lights and kick his doors and do a 'cough cough'. JTL |
Re: Smoking in Aus
I dont think smoking should necessarily be banned.
Having said that I do think that the smoking bans in Qld are good. I dont particularly like walking through people's smoke in the street (I often hold my breath) but I wouldn't say that a total ban should be imposed. My view is that in confined places and food consumption areas smoking should be totally banned. I also dont like seeing old cars chucking out loads of fumes - it annoys me that a small percentage of vehicles on the roads account for a hugely disproportionate amount of pollution. Again, I often hold my breath when crossing a road near a vehicle like a bus. At the end of the day, I went out last night wearing a clean pair of trousers, a T-shirt, jumper and jacket. I now have to wash all of them because they stink of other people's smoke (I was only wearing them for a few hours!). My issue with smoking isn't based on the health question. I just dont like smelling of it! The point made about the fag ends on beaches really resonates though. I have been on some of the most beautiful beaches in the world and found fag butts. It seems to be acceptable practice to drop fag ends wherever the smoker chooses (tarring them all I know). |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
(Post 4266598)
Yet somehow you manage to walk down the road with cars and buses and lorries belching out hundreds of times the amount of toxic chemicals that a single smoker across the street does :rolleyes:
Hey lets ban cars!!!! And Buses!! Oh hang on, we ALL use them so no, lets pretend they don't spew loads more pollution than a smoker does. :rolleyes: Its the guy across the street having a fag thats making me cough, not the 1970s holden with black smoke coming out its exhaust. I'm not pro-smoking, but for god sake, cut the lame 'cough cough your choking me' stuff. Or else if you do pick on a smoker on the street, I trust you'll also go over to the next diesel car stopped at the lights and kick his doors and do a 'cough cough'. JTL However, to imagine that somehow negates my point about the extreme unpleasantness of the taste, and the burning of the throat when ingesting secondhand smoke is rather fanciful. Would you like some more ammunition? <g> The attitude from (many) smokers that they have a "right" to smoke (fair enough) and that this outweighs others' right *not* to breathe the same smoke is in my experience a part of smokers' nature and is not confined to the smoking question. A fair proportion of litter in the streets comes from smoking related materials - butts, cellophane, silver foil etc. It is also quite remarkable how many times other antisocial behaviours come from a disproportionately high percentage of people who smoke. Every day I see cars being driven selfishly and irresponsibly - and a far higher percentage of the drivers are smoking than their proportion of the population. Research some years ago indicated that smoking was markedly correlated with educational attainment. Not with intelligence, but the level to which an individual has been educated. I suspect the research was attempting to find out whether increasing education would reduce the number of smokers, but some of the results do back up what I say. Summary: yes, I am anti smoking. Yes, I did smoke myself (possibly ten a week!)- gave it up thirty years ago. No, I don't think it should be banned - Prohibition in the States shows what a disaster prohibiting something generally available and widely used is, in practice. Yes, I do think the majority of the population is entitled to smoke free air. And finally I believe that the connection between smoking, alcohol abuse and antisocial behaviour is an awful lot closer than many of us would like to accept. So there! |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 4268937)
And finally I believe that the connection between smoking, alcohol abuse and antisocial behaviour is an awful lot closer than many of us would like to accept.
So there! Not in the mood for reasoned discussions so as a non-smoker I will just say bolloxs :p :) |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 4268958)
Not in the mood for reasoned discussions so as a non-smoker I will just say bolloxs :p :)
(paint not dry yet?) |
Re: Smoking in Aus
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 4269074)
Cheers!
(paint not dry yet?) |
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