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Planting trees is now bad for the environment! NS reported a week or two ago that trees give off methane to the extent of millions of tonnes a year - and methane is some 80-90 times more powerful than CO2 as a greenhouse gas.

Just *my* twopennorth as well!

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:D

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Yes car emissions are bad for your health, but cigarettes have a large number of cancer causing chemicals which children could breath in causing them to get cancer, which they would'nt otherwise get just from traffic pollution.

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You only have one set of lungs which you need to breath, if you full them with smoke everyday from cigarettes eventually it is going to destroy , damage them or cause lung cancer, most people diagnosed with lung cancer die within 6 months.

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I like the quote directly of the ASH website. Its such an impartial body.

I don't want anyone drinking beside my children as it causes violence and damage - or would that be seen as too much.

Yes smoking is bad for you and others. I'm just concerned at the road this takes.

After Hitler invaded Poland, he banned smoking in public places.

There - arn't facts interesting and easily twisted.

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In my opinion, it should be banned EVERYWHERE...By smoking you're basically paying to damage your body, and to slowly kill yourself...How does that make sense?!? How can you WANT to do that to yourself?

My mum is a heavy smoker, and I'm always trying to get her to quit...I see her squirming when she can't have a cigarette, and I pity her...How can you get so dependant on a substance that effectively KILLS you?!? My grandfather died of lung cancer caused by cigarettes. So I am very actively against smoking...

Besides, I read somewhere (and this is a fact), that more people die of passive smoking than of active/direct smoking. So the next time you light up, remember this...

...You might not have any problems with smoking yourself to death, but maybe other people round you do...

That's why certain rules have been brought in to protect those who actually value their health...

PS. Apologies if I have offended anyone, but this is something I take VERY seriously. I am not directing this message at anyone in particular, just all smokers in general...

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Yes I agree with you, a nanny state is not something that I would like to live in. But I guess balance is called for. To me smokers should be allowed to smoke, but within given parameters. Basically no closer than 1 mile from wherever I am..... :D

It is interesting to note here that people have spoken about the contribution that smokers make to the economy and that this contribution pays for their subsequent healthcare..... Kind of like saving for a sick day...err...or three.. Anyhow, I do wonder what the figures are for the healthcare of passive smokers and the drain on the health service by these people through no fault of their own?

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l totally agree, my mother was one of the 19,000 Aussies that die from smoking each year, smoking has killed 6.4 million people in the UK over the last 50 years , thats about the same number of people that were killed in the holocaust. Smoking should be banned along with heroin and other deadly drugs., if people want to kill themeselves by smoking they should think about the hell they put their families through by having to watch them die a slow painful death.

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My old mum worked for years for WD & HO Wills so she didn't stand a chance. She died thankfully at 67 I think - I say thankfully because they were on the point of taking both her legs off because of circulatory collapse.

I reckon the most powerful ad against smoking would be say 100 thumbnail photos of people, 50 smokers and 50 non-, all in their sixties. The wrinkled, grey-faced ones would not be the non-smokers....

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Well I can say after testing it that it actully does 63mpg so actually a myth beater :p
Way above similar 40 ish mpg I can get from petrol version..... :D

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One of my clients just watched her husband go through this. In Feb he had a chest infection, march bronchitis. Beginning of April they diagnosed him with inoperable lung cancer and by the middle of may he died. He hadn't smoked for 15 years but before that did 30 a day.

She said anyone still smoking should be made to come in and sit by someone in their final hours of life with lung cancer. Apparently you drown in your own blood and the smell is unbearable :( Poor lady, so so sad :(

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Yes I can vouch for that. Mum gave up smoking too late as well.

Mums throat was filled with blood hours before she died. The smell was awful and as she took her last breath, she gasped like a fish out of water and held our hands, I actually felt her heart stop beating.

They said her cancer type was typical of that of a smoker. Although non smokers can get small cell cancer. It also is the most aggressive of cancers and by the time it is diagnosed, 6-8 weeks is the prognosis.

A pathologist once said to me that if you could smell a piece of lung biopsy taken from a smoker, you would be sick.

So if anyone has or knows people that smoked till the age of 100 and was fine, they were not, they were lucky and their lungs would have been buggered.

And I maintain that whatever else in the way of pollution that children breathe in, there is no excuse, no justification to either smoke in pregnancy or in the same airspace/vicinity of your children.

If someone has so little respect for their lungs then that is their right and their choice to enjoy a cigarette. It is not the choice of their kids.

Smoking is addictive, cocaine is addictive, heroin is addictive, so if someone has an addiction, whether it be legal like cigarettes or not, it is THEIR addiction and not anyone else's.

And its not about a 'Nanny State', because nobody wants one of those, its about not pushing your 'addiction' on other people.

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Well said Sam :)

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When my dad went into hospital for what turned out to be the last time :( all the doctors and nurses were on at him 24/7 to stop smoking. He was 79 and had smoked a minimum of 20 a day since he was about 13 :eek: We took him in his fags and would wheel him outside to smoke - what the hell was the point of making his life even more bloody miserable by taking away the one thing he was still capable of doing.

He had gangrene of the toes but he would still sit there with a unlit cig in his hand waiting for someone to wheel him outside.

BTW he didn't die of lung cancer, but they discovered at the post mortum he did have cancer.

I do miss the cantankerous old sod :(

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Naturally some smokers feel they have to justify their habit and think that as they contribute to the government and healthcare via buying cigartettes they are justified to smoke.
How many smokers complain about the cost of cigarettes though and would prefer to have the price reduced? I'd say most if not all of them!