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As this is a smoking thread are you sparking one up while considering your next move?
I can't keep my eyes open any longer and have just polished off my ninth wife beater so I reckon it is time for bed and a hangover in the morning.
:beer:

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Ban cars and the filth they spew out indiscriminately over us and our children. Especially diesels. And buses that drive around 90% empty belching black smoke that makes you cough its so thick.

Oh hang on, *everyone* likes cars so the people they kill via road accidents and toxic emissions are ok. We all need cars so lets not ban them after all.:rolleyes:


Despite the fact they are designed to carry 4-8 people, and spew out that amount of carbon monoxide, its still not seen as socially unacceptable for 1 person to drive these things alone. What is the world coming to. If I sat in a Restaurant and smoked 8 cigs simultaneously I'd get thrown out, and rightly so. If a diesel 'people carrier' goes past with only one person in it, thats fine.

Smokers are just this generations whipping boys, then its on to enviromentalists pet peeves.

JTL

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Ah...that is why you are called WB !

play another day? ;) :D

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Thats a shame I feel sorry for all the old guys who have fought for queen and country - now they cant even light up a ciggy at a workingmans club - absolutely disgraceful. :mad:

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How "Alf Garnet"....

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Yes the govenment makes millions from taxing cigarettes, but is it worth the deaths it causes ,it kills 19,000 Aussies a year and Tabacco has killed 6.3 million people in the Uk over the last 50 years.

http://www.bhf.org.uk/news/printout....533&artID=7029

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Since the ban - beer sales in pubs down

cig sales up....hope Jack is pleased that all these kids are taking in more smoke at home.

Love the fact that now if your in town and pass a pub you get a mouthful of smoke from the crowds outside...well done Jack

Apparently they' re now going to ban smoking in cars...like the lorry drivers who can smoke in their trucks until they get to Gretna!

I'm having one now...will have to cut down in oz. Crap - have a long flight between Dubai and Sydney....what will I do!!!!!!! :scared:

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Haven't seen many people driving cars in restaurants :rolleyes: and never a diesel being driven in one :p
I take you you don't mind being exposed to smoke as long as it's not from any kind of diesel transport......I bet farmers really wind you up, on their diesel tractors sat there all on their own for hours on end up and down fields I bet it drives you crazy :D

Love my diesel car does 60 to the gallon, doesn't spew out black smoke and it won't give me mouth or lung cancer and actually serves a purpose unlike my old 20 a day habit.... :scared:

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I think it should be less about tax and more about quality of life.

Beds wouldn't be taken up by smoking related diseases. From memory less is taken here in tax than what is paid out for health related issues. So, they could spend even less on public health. And maybe elective surgery would occur within a months of decision instead of 3 - 5 years.

But then I am not a British American Tobacco shareholder.

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Your Diesel does NOT do 60 miles to the gallon. Its a myth.

And how do you get to and from the restaurant? Oh I forgot :rolleyes: , you drive in your diesel, oblivious to all the poor sods who are walking breathing in the carbon monoxide spewed from your car that is many multiples of what a cigarette smoker can produce.

But hey, at least they're not getting cancer from your car fumes while they're eating :rolleyes: Just breathing in your disgusting fumes while they are walking, cycling, pushing the kids around is socially acceptable for the moment...

But once smokers become extinct, once they've broken McDs and Burger King and made them sell rabbit food with cous cous, trust me, the PC crowd will be looking for the next target. And it will be wasteful use of cars, 4WD drivers, diesel drivers, people carriers carrying one person.

You may think you have the moral high ground for the moment, until their next campaign is against something you enjoy. (driving smelly diesels by the sounds of things :p )

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The flaw in your logic of course is this:

Smokers take up hospital space. True.

You say the tax on smokers doesn't quite cover the cost of treating them. I don't know, but lets say you are right.


Now lets assume smoking is wiped out. Woohooo! No more smokers to treat, and no more smokers taxes, but thats okay, because those former smokers won't ever... get... sick... oh bollox:o . Now we have to pay for an ever increasing older non smoking population. They'll still get sick, but now there won't be the billions coming in, and lots of late middle aged people who used to pop their clogs from smoking costing the health service a bit will now live to a ripe old age costing 10 times as much.

There was an episode of yes prime minister once where Humphrey said smokers were public benefactors laying down their lives for the public good. (yes he was friendly with British American tobacco, and trying to explain why wiping out smoking was a terrible idea)

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Not so. People get sick and age anyways. The drain on the health system wont be as much with very little tobacco caused hospital beds used.

Also people who smoke take longer to recover from any operation and thus use more resources. Just wait until you or one of your nearest and dearest has to go for an Op next time. Apart from the obvious questions (hospitalisation related) the major ones asked will be "Do you smoke?" and if you do then you will have to stop for as long as possible prior to the Ops. In some areas surgeons are saying that they are considering not operating on those who continue to smoke or will take it up again post Op.

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Yeah..

Course fatties are ok... nope lets ban them. They're ugly anyway and spoil the scenery...

as for anyone who drinks... lets be glad that they never need hospitals or assault hospital staff...unlike smokers of course!

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You are still missing the point. Tobacco smokers aren't around as long, they die younger. They won't be around in their 70's and 80's taking up hospital beds.

Beds by the way that the taxes they paid on cigs paid for.

Your statement that smokers spend longer in hospital and take longer to recover is wrong. They generally don't recover.:(

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A good honest debate. Yes. Thats the goal of the thread.
I like smoking and know its bad for you, gives you cancer,
kills you sooner etc etc etc.
Why don't the govt ban it then
Answer: CASH

Quest: Why doesn't the same rules apply to alcohol which costs more treating those unfortunate addicts.

Where do we stop. Self-inflicted, sorry we can't treat you.

Fatties, druggies, alkis, smokers etc. Leave the people alone
as we are all grown ups and can make our own decisions.

ps. My aunt is 85 and smokes like a chimney and has done since she was 14.