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Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11272925)
..... and I might add for the bogan labor "I want everything without working for it nutters". I'm on your side if you think NG is for the wealhy. I''m just demonsting NG is for the poor and rich.
but then again, labour voters would be too full of dumb ass, too full of 'today', and lacking creativity to realise. |
Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 11272946)
Did you have a few after work?
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Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 11272946)
Did you have a few after work?
But seriously. Give me some good arguments please. |
Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by old.sparkles
(Post 11272931)
And thinking that only low paid receiving benefits have a net zero tax level might be liberal thinking?
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Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11272972)
Did I mention ever mention 48% receive more than they give? I believe that was someone else.
The point is, a net zero tax is not just limited to low paid, and lower paid workers don't generally take low paid work to avoid tax. |
Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by old.sparkles
(Post 11272984)
I don't think I said you did.
The point is, a net zero tax is not just limited to low paid, and lower paid workers don't generally take low paid work to avoid tax. The higher paid massage their visible income to avoid tax? |
Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11272991)
What are you saying?
The higher paid massage their visible income to avoid tax? No, the comment was more to do with higher earners or lower earnings take advantage of the breaks they can. Higher earnings may be getting the same amount in whatever breaks they can as lower earners get in benefits or other breaks, but only some end up on net zero (and I should imagine some very low paid take more from the system than they put in). Doesn't mean that because they are net zero though that they are taking more from the system than higher earners - or deserve to be taxed more because they have a net zero contribution as was being implied. Is that making sense? Perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick :o |
Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by old.sparkles
(Post 11273013)
Would I say such a thing :lol:
No, the comment was more to do with higher earners or lower earnings take advantage of the breaks they can. Higher earnings may be getting the same amount in whatever breaks they can as lower earners get in benefits or other breaks, but only some end up on net zero (and I should imagine some very low paid take more from the system than they put in). Doesn't mean that because they are net zero though that they are taking more from the system than higher earners - or deserve to be taxed more because they have a net zero contribution as was being implied. Is that making sense? Perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick :o |
Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by old.sparkles
(Post 11273013)
Would I say such a thing :lol:
No, the comment was more to do with higher earners or lower earnings take advantage of the breaks they can. Higher earnings may be getting the same amount in whatever breaks they can as lower earners get in benefits or other breaks, but only some end up on net zero (and I should imagine some very low paid take more from the system than they put in). Doesn't mean that because they are net zero though that they are taking more from the system than higher earners - or deserve to be taxed more because they have a net zero contribution as was being implied. Is that making sense? Perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick :o |
Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by knockoff nige
(Post 11273715)
Sounds about right. And considering that rich person is probably in the top 5%, their cost to the economy could be the equivalent of many lower paid people. Then, the tax dodging corporations who benefit from Australia's education system, health system, policing and public transport are probably the biggest burden to us. Unfortunately, it's all legal but it's easier to take from those who can't fight back.
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Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11273768)
Corporations are burdens to us? Who would employ us then? Can I have some of your crack?
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Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11273766)
I think I see what your saying. Do you have an article or an example?
This article says the average tax paid is just under $13k, with $9.5k claimed back in benefits and tax breaks |
Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by old.sparkles
(Post 11273782)
There was the article earlier on who pays net zero (or gains). Found this one as well which seems to repeat that and add some - http://www.taxationinfonews.com/2014...ay-no-net-tax/
This article says the average tax paid is just under $13k, with $9.5k claimed back in benefits and tax breaks |
Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by knockoff nige
(Post 11273775)
Careful, I didn't say we didn't need corporations. Tax dodging on that scale is a burden though, would you not agree? If we could fairly tax these companies, we wouldn't need to take from the poor.
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Re: Share the pain
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11273837)
I'm certainly doing something wrong with my tax. My wife and I earn well above the average and certainly pay around 30% of our incomes towards tax. We see very little in return as a tax return. Need new accountant.
Young spark wont pay any tax - earns no where near enough - but also doesn't get any benefits (unless you count the free TAFE course he did when we first arrived). Having said that, the majority of what he spends his money on is subject to GST which is 10% I think |
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