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Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Originally Posted by stevenglish1
(Post 11778933)
I'm going to stick my neck out and say that perhaps the intellectual snobbery of a section of the fans that switches people off, and the constant comparison with other sports. It always seems to be the ones not quite as up on the rules as they make out that tend to do that too.
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Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Well done to Australia
Good luck in the final because you're not going to get 3 tries out wide in open play against the ABs! |
Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Originally Posted by astera
(Post 11778914)
Oh, that must be it. :rolleyes:
Can't score tries so the strategy is to keep racking up penalties. That's not rugby, it's a penalty extortion & kicking festival. :) Heck, only a bent/stupid ref stopping rugby union looking like a comical excuse for a sport with Scotland actually being better than Australia according to the rules of rugby union... Penalty, kick, penalty, kick, penalty... you'd think I'm writing about some football match in southern Europe with players falling over and just trying to get penalties as a tactic to win. If you're not scoring tries, why not? Because the other team is stopping you from scoring tries that's why! So in that case you try and win by scoring in other ways, which are penalties and drops. It can be just as exciting and tense - a battle of wills, strengths and skills |
Re: Rugby World Cup 2015 Poll
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11779243)
You voted Japan
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Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 11779254)
Well done to Australia
Good luck in the final because you're not going to get 3 tries out wide in open play against the ABs! |
Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11778841)
League is so boring. Run it up, kick, run it up, kick, run it up, kick. Oh a scrum, you call that a scrum.
I like League's switch to non-competitive feeds into the set-pieces, and Union's apparent tolerance of the same practice of feeding the ball into the second row. I always hated the endless tackles in League, and am glad they now limit them to six. (The Toowoomba team, in the '60s, had a very light back line, which was thrilling to watch - although they usually got thumped by the heavier teams, like Ipswich.) League allows shepherding these days, which I don't like. "Dummy runners" - huh! Union ought to scrap line-outs. League ought to tighten up on the forward-pass practice (or maybe that's just the referees). I'm surprised there are so many players switching between codes, because League is a much faster game; nobody stands around scratching himself. Each to his own, though, eh? |
Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
(Post 11779334)
It's a bit childish just bad-mouthing the rugby code you don't like. We all have our natural prejudices. I played Union at boarding school, but we used to play League in pick-up games. Then for fifty years I saw neither, until I found League on a US TV station; it was interesting to see how the games had changed.
I like League's switch to non-competitive feeds into the set-pieces, and Union's apparent tolerance of the same practice of feeding the ball into the second row. I always hated the endless tackles in League, and am glad they now limit them to six. (The Toowoomba team, in the '60s, had a very light back line, which was thrilling to watch - although they usually got thumped by the heavier teams, like Ipswich.) League allows shepherding these days, which I don't like. "Dummy runners" - huh! Union ought to scrap line-outs. League ought to tighten up on the forward-pass practice (or maybe that's just the referees). I'm surprised there are so many players switching between codes, because League is a much faster game; nobody stands around scratching himself. Each to his own, though, eh? By the way you don't feed a ball into the second row in union. I think you have confused that with league. You should have noticed that the ball can sometimes just sit in the tunnel, waiting for the hooker to feel enough go forward to lift a leg and strike. That's a proper scrum. Not sure what you are on about players switching to league either. May have been back in the day when union remained amateur while league went professional. Seems to be the league guys switching to the global game these days. I will agree one thing. I played both at school. I preferred playing league as a forward as you got more ball in hand. But watching union was far better because of the diversity of the game. |
Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Originally Posted by astera
(Post 11778928)
I think you missed the point entirely. Scotland should have won as it was the better team in this funny game of rugby union, having scored less tries but racked up more points via penalties... until the ref came to the rescue, pushing Australia through (before running off the field in shame). You see, that's my point: in rugby union Scotland was the superior side.
Of course even in this thread people came to Australia's rescue writing about the very things I've just mentioned: that Australia "deserved" to go through as they were the "better" team that scored more tries. This is the irony of it: silly union rules where Scotland is the better team... _VS_... what the fans see as the deserved winner in how they see the game. This is a silly argument ....... rugby union is always the winner. |
Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 11779252)
Snobbery in RU? Maybe where you're from Champ (actually not maybe, make that definitely) but not where I'm from, where it's an everyman sport
Most of my family [The Yorkshire half] were fans of League, distant relatives playing & coaching Wakefield & Leeds sides. Me I enjoy both codes, I watched Union in the U.K following The Ionians. Over here I follow the Broncos, we joined this year as members & have renewed for next year. Horses for courses :o I'd rather watch them than the Reds. As a kid we all idolised the All Blacks. I've been to a few Bledisloe games since we arrived in 2003 which coincidentally the ABs have dominated since that year. |
Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Looks like Sam Burgess is heading back to league. After seeing Israel Falou's sub standard performances in this world cup, lets hope he goes too. :). Sonny Bill not making the starting lineup for the AB's either.
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Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11779485)
Looks like Sam Burgess is heading back to league. After seeing Israel Falou's sub standard performances in this world cup, lets hope he goes too. :). Sonny Bill not making the starting lineup for the AB's either.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-...-1226508507065 Union is basically only offered/taught in private (read public for UK) schools in Melbourne (league not in any schools). Horses for courses - a game where you pass the ball backwards to go forwards and you get rewarded for kicking the ball out of the field of play (rather than penalised) and where you are allowed a minute to kick a penalty and a few minutes to get a scrum organised is alien to most sports and it's why it won't catch on in a lot of places. |
Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11779377)
This is a silly argument ....... rugby union is always the winner.
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Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Originally Posted by cresta57
(Post 11779402)
It's long been a snobbery thing in the North of England where I'm from. Union was unpaid & injuries often cost players their homes and livelihoods hence the split eons ago to RL. It's a flat cap & whippet thing lol. Union was what the public schoolboys played. The biggest difference, as many opine, is that rugby league is "a gentleman's game played by thugs", and union "a thug's game played by gentlemen".
Most of my family [The Yorkshire half] were fans of League, distant relatives playing & coaching Wakefield & Leeds sides. Me I enjoy both codes, I watched Union in the U.K following The Ionians. Over here I follow the Broncos, we joined this year as members & have renewed for next year. Horses for courses :o I'd rather watch them than the Reds. As a kid we all idolised the All Blacks. I've been to a few Bledisloe games since we arrived in 2003 which coincidentally the ABs have dominated since that year. As for Union and penalties people forget that teams win by penalties because the other team can't get the basics right and under pressure, infringe. Tries may have been scored eventually: remember that many soccer games end in draws or the poorer team wins by a lucky goal: in Rugby the better team tends to be rewarded. Kicking for touch is not necessarily rewarded : invariably the ball goes to the opposition. There may be some advantage if their line out is poor and they are near their own line : again it's putting pressure on their ability to get the basics right... |
Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Originally Posted by astera
(Post 11774771)
Precisely why I prefer rugby league... where the game does not revolve around trying to score points via penalties as a main tactic to win a match (or like in England's case from years back - the entire tournament even).
They were so cohesive in the scrum, a traditional strong point, teams infringed and also conceded penalties. As soon as teams tired England racked up tries in many games : they also had a midfield in those years (sigh) and players who are starting to be forgotten already by Johnny Punter... |
Re: The Rugby Union Thread
Originally Posted by astera
(Post 11779520)
Hey kiddo, be good and inform your dad that you nicked his forum password and stop posting under his account. ;)
Enjoy the final ...... you will be watching :) |
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