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Beoz Oct 18th 2015 10:14 pm

Re: The Rugby Union Thread
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 11774616)
FYI, the point being disputed is whether the ball came off the Scot (the Saffer Strauss) or the Australian - the ref thought the former, all the studio experts on UK commentary (McGeechan, Lynagh and Dallaglio) couldn't decide from countless replays and all said the ref should have reviewed it at least. Quoting the rule book is irrelevant; it's who it came off not the rule under discussion.

Who cares. Best team won. 5 created tries vs 3 gifted tries. Rock on.

OzTennis Oct 18th 2015 10:26 pm

Re: The Rugby Union Thread
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11774628)
Who cares. Best team won. 5 created tries vs 3 gifted tries. Rock on.

Well Scotland and those who prefer fair play care.

Beoz Oct 18th 2015 11:15 pm

Re: The Rugby Union Thread
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 11774639)
Well Scotland and those who prefer fair play care.

Its all fair mate. Scotlands prop was boring in and Joubert was on the other side of the scrum and could not see anything. .... 3 times he messed that up and awarded the pen to the Scots. Questions marks over Genia knock on for the disallowed try too. Not something I noticed at the time but the NZ and SA commentators picked it up on Rugby Weekly this evening. It looks like they might be right.

Best team won. No doubt you'll dispute me on that. Have fun.

The point is Joubert is a screw up. Always had been.

fish.01 Oct 18th 2015 11:48 pm

Re: The Rugby Union Thread
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 11774616)
FYI, the point being disputed is whether the ball came off the Scot (the Saffer Strauss) or the Australian - the ref thought the former, all the studio experts on UK commentary (McGeechan, Lynagh and Dallaglio) couldn't decide from countless replays and all said the ref should have reviewed it at least. Quoting the rule book is irrelevant; it's who it came off not the rule under discussion.

Turns out the ref was the only one who knew the correct rules around TMO's :starsmile:

OzTennis Oct 19th 2015 1:11 am

Re: The Rugby Union Thread
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11774661)
Its all fair mate. Scotlands prop was boring in and Joubert was on the other side of the scrum and could not see anything. .... 3 times he messed that up and awarded the pen to the Scots. Questions marks over Genia knock on for the disallowed try too. Not something I noticed at the time but the NZ and SA commentators picked it up on Rugby Weekly this evening. It looks like they might be right.

Best team won. No doubt you'll dispute me on that. Have fun.

The point is Joubert is a screw up. Always had been.

The only point at issue and the only thing being mentioned here is his last decision - best team won, other decisions etc irrelevant; did he get it right on the match deciding decision? He ran off at the end and didn't shake hands with both captains nor any of the players which is par for the course.

Australia vs Scotland: Referee Craig Joubert sprints off pitch, angers Twitter - Telegraph

astera Oct 19th 2015 2:31 am

Re: The Rugby Union Thread
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11774628)
5 created tries vs 3 gifted tries.

Precisely why I prefer rugby league... where the game does not revolve around trying to score points via penalties as a main tactic to win a match (or like in England's case from years back - the entire tournament even).

Beoz Oct 19th 2015 8:14 am

Re: The Rugby Union Thread
 

Originally Posted by astera (Post 11774771)
Precisely why I prefer rugby league... where the game does not revolve around trying to score points via penalties as a main tactic to win a match (or like in England's case from years back - the entire tournament even).

For the simple folk I get your point. For those of us that need a little more out of our oval ball game, rugby is the winner :)

Beoz Oct 19th 2015 8:19 am

Re: The Rugby Union Thread
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 11774704)
The only point at issue and the only thing being mentioned here is his last decision - best team won, other decisions etc irrelevant; did he get it right on the match deciding decision? He ran off at the end and didn't shake hands with both captains nor any of the players which is par for the course.

Australia vs Scotland: Referee Craig Joubert sprints off pitch, angers Twitter - Telegraph

That's because AFL fans don't get the fine art of scrummaging. They also don't get you can't use a TMO for knock ons in that situation either. Sounds like you are enjoying the tournament. Rugby is the winner.

Buzzy--Bee Oct 19th 2015 8:40 am

Re: Rugby World Cup 2015 Poll
 

Originally Posted by commonwealth (Post 11774590)
So it's all Southern Hemisphere countries in the semis!

Indeed.

Organisers of ‪#‎RWC2015‬ have announced a playoff tournament for 5th place in Feb 2016.
They're calling it "The 6 Nations."
BB

Beoz Oct 19th 2015 9:18 am

Re: Rugby World Cup 2015 Poll
 

Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee (Post 11775035)
Indeed.

Organisers of ‪#‎RWC2015‬ have announced a playoff tournament for 5th place in Feb 2016.
They're calling it "The 6 Nations."
BB

Ho ho. That's quite good.

OzTennis Oct 19th 2015 8:10 pm

Re: The Rugby Union Thread
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11775012)
That's because AFL fans don't get the fine art of scrummaging. They also don't get you can't use a TMO for knock ons in that situation either. Sounds like you are enjoying the tournament. Rugby is the winner.

Rugby was the loser here actually - bottle (allegedly) thrown at Joubert (why he said he ran off) and the tournament organisers issued an official Joubert got it wrong statement.

The governing body said that, because Australia's Nick Phipps touched the ball, "the appropriate decision should have been a scrum to Australia for the original knock-on".

BBC Sport - Rugby World Cup 2015: 'Craig Joubert wrong to award penalty'

As ever you try and deflect; nobody was mentioning AFL apart from you.

Beoz Oct 19th 2015 9:05 pm

Re: The Rugby Union Thread
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 11775362)
Rugby was the loser here actually - bottle (allegedly) thrown at Joubert (why he said he ran off) and the tournament organisers issued an official Joubert got it wrong statement.

The governing body said that, because Australia's Nick Phipps touched the ball, "the appropriate decision should have been a scrum to Australia for the original knock-on".

BBC Sport - Rugby World Cup 2015: 'Craig Joubert wrong to award penalty'

As ever you try and deflect; nobody was mentioning AFL apart from you.

Calm down Jock. I don't believe Joubert has actually spoken yet. Probably fearing the moon.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NGXJ_y0ESqs/VT_r_N6_AQI/AAAAAAAAAAA/3JUqXxB4VGA/s1600/mooning%2Bscots.png

Lets be honest though, look at the footage, there was only one person heading in the direction the ball was being propelled and it was a man in blue. Seems to connect his arm after Phipps has a little fumble. Read and recite all the internet all you like. Look at the footage yourself.

Another Phipps fumble I might add. Where's Nic White. Phipps is shite. (You wouldn't know who Nic White is unless you google it.)

fish.01 Oct 19th 2015 10:40 pm

Re: The Rugby Union Thread
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 11775362)
Rugby was the loser here actually - bottle (allegedly) thrown at Joubert (why he said he ran off) and the tournament organisers issued an official Joubert got it wrong statement.

The governing body said that, because Australia's Nick Phipps touched the ball, "the appropriate decision should have been a scrum to Australia for the original knock-on".

BBC Sport - Rugby World Cup 2015: 'Craig Joubert wrong to award penalty'

As ever you try and deflect; nobody was mentioning AFL apart from you.

Pretty bad that the tournament organisers hung him out to try like that.

I guess there will now be calls to admonish that ref that gave that match deciding try to Scotland after a blatant Scottish knock-on against Samoa.

Amazulu Oct 19th 2015 10:56 pm

Re: The Rugby Union Thread
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 11774639)
Well Scotland and those who prefer fair play care.

It's all fair champ

Scotland will have been the beneficiary of dodgy refereeing in the past - swings and roundabouts. Refs are human, they make mistakes - although Joubert is a pretty shit ref overall. SA produces great players but not refs - look at Watson in 2003

Yes, it wasn't a penalty. The yellow card was bollocks (probably a bigger travesty) but there is no such thing as should have won - you either win or you don't. Australia were the better team overall on the night - and they won

OzTennis Oct 20th 2015 12:57 am

Re: The Rugby Union Thread
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 11775460)
It's all fair champ

Scotland will have been the beneficiary of dodgy refereeing in the past - swings and roundabouts. Refs are human, they make mistakes - although Joubert is a pretty shit ref overall. SA produces great players but not refs - look at Watson in 2003

Yes, it wasn't a penalty. The yellow card was bollocks (probably a bigger travesty) but there is no such thing as should have won - you either win or you don't. Australia were the better team overall on the night - and they won

We can only imagine what would have happened if England lost out at the death on a mistake (well they did against Wales but that was a captain's choice). ;)

Yes, better team won, 'the luck evens out' (which it doesn't usually incidentally) and all that but that does not imply that Scotland shouldn't feel aggrieved and Australia feel lucky to still be in the tournament. Yes, Australia MIGHT have scored from the scrum he should have given and all that. All I'm saying is how aggrieved the Scots are at going out by the narrowest possible margin on an incorrect decsion.

When they reviewed the 'deliberate knock on' everyone heard the 3rd official say (in response to Joubert's what do you think), I'm thinking deliberate knock on, penalty and yellow card. If that was a blunder it was by 2 officials, not Joubert alone.


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