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Re: POM, an insult??!!
Originally Posted by OzTennis
Right, so we are agreed on:
1 Both countries are fanatical about putting one over each other because of our shared history (I live in Scotland and believe me if you think we are keen on beating England you should see most Scots). In Australia's case it is hitting back at the jailer, coloniser, imperial power, the traditional sporting enemy, whatever you will; in England's case it is (probably, I'd have to guess) rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves and all that, or a reaction to the passion of the Aussies. 2 The beer ads in both countries present a false, stereotypical view of the other nation's inhabitants. (If you were in the UK recently you must have seen the Foster's and XXXX ads, they've been running for yonks. eg one of the oldest ones - 2 men in a ute with wife in back sitting on cases of XXXX, come to a rickety bridge, in the dusty outback of course; something's got to give; drive on, 2 men in front, beer still in back, wife gone, 'she's a good sport that wife of yours'?) 3 The term Pom is not intended and should not be taken as an insult. 4 You are right, it is an interesting question and goes to the core of a lot of things. Just on another one - can it not be seen that an Englishman calling an Irishman 'Paddy' can be seen as offensive but if for example I was to say 'how's it going Paddy' that it will be taken differently? I once made that mistake with a work colleague who replied in his best Ian Paisley 'there will be NO surrender' type voice, I'm an Ulsterman and don't you forget it, right. :D OzTennis :) |
Re: POM, an insult??!!
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
I have faith... we will retain the Ashes.. I have seen the vision. Its two tests each.. the final test, the last day and England are 49-9 as the day begins.. and the drought breaks and it rains all day and the little urn goes home. :D
Your blind optimism is so endearing iam... :p |
Re: POM, an insult??!!
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
Right on all counts.. :D The Paddy one is tricky.. my father was from Dublin and at one time excepted the term Paddy as the 'friendly banter'. It became less excepted as time went on and would probably get you a smack in the mouth if you used it in Ireland these days.
Fascinating and extremely complex history in Ireland which I enjoy reading about (strong links to Australian history too). I see the same antithesis to Albion in both histories. :D OzTennis :) |
Re: POM, an insult??!!
Originally Posted by OzTennis
Yep, probably has changed over time and with the tremendous economic growth in Ireland (thank you EU for deprived country status) and the diaspora of a few hundred years being reversed as Irish expats now want to return 'home' that the term Paddy may have connotations of a dark, backward, oppressed past. Mind you, I don't think most people who would use the term Paddy would know of these changes and connotations. :D
Fascinating and extremely complex history in Ireland which I enjoy reading about (strong links to Australian history too). I see the same antithesis to Albion in both histories. :D OzTennis :) |
Re: POM, an insult??!!
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
Sorry, too busy for this now.. watching Pietersen smash the Aussies to all corners on the Test highlights :D
Swallow Summer Doesn't One Make A :D Fair dues, Collingwood and Pieterson played well BUT: The wicket is benign - how many will Ponting etc make? They scored too slowly, particularly first session (< 3 runs per over for the whole day) to be able to knock up enough runs and get Australia out twice on that wicket (after being at least 200 ahead on 1st innings). At least it has breathed a bit of life back into the Ashes though which is a great thing. OzTennis :) |
Re: POM, an insult??!!
Oh, I just remembered Dame Zara Phillips is in the top 5 too! She won some competition in that sport only available to the wealthy - equestrianism.
OzTennis :)
Originally Posted by OzTennis
:D And the 6 nations, and a Wimbledon Men's singles, and the World Cup (soccer, union, league, tiddlywinks etc). :D
I wonder if the 'Poms' in Australia realise that the top nominations for the BBC Sports Personality of the year in 2006 are: Darren Clarke (who should win it for the Ryder Cup victory and for being such a fabulous and inspiring person in the face of his wife's death). Andy Murray Beth Tweddle (a gymnast apparently) Monty Panessar That I think sums up what a barren year it has been sports wise, without pointing out that a Scot, Irishman (Ulsterman?) and a Sikh top the list. OzTennis :) |
Re: POM, an insult??!!
why dont u do a poll so see if english are upset by it.
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Re: POM, an insult??!!
Originally Posted by Plug
Folks,
What a laugh, have you seen this, are you really offended? - get a life!! PS: I'm a POM!! :D http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20843196-2,00.html Nice to see the British People Against Racial Discrimination do not speak for all Brits. The solution for these campaigning wankerpaths is obviously to stop drinking Toohey's and encourage those who feel the same regarding the use of the word 'Pom' to do the same. Any beer company would react is their sales figures went down. |
Re: POM, an insult??!!
Originally Posted by iPom
Your blind optimism is so endearing iam... :p
That's not a statement made too frequently to him! :) :p |
Re: POM, an insult??!!
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
Paddy is a good natured slang term... Get yourself from Walsall to Waterford and try it out in the pubs.. see if its still seen that way.
I didn't claim that Paddy is a goodnatured slang term. I said that Pom is a goodnatured slang term. Please. Read. My. Post. BTW, FYI, I spent my honeymoon week in Ireland. Didn't call anyone "Paddy" (and wouldn't have done so if I'd thought of it) but was warmly received thanks in part to the natural hospitality of the Irish and the fact that I have an Irish surname. :D |
Re: POM, an insult??!!
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
What's all that about? :confused:
I didn't claim that Paddy is a goodnatured slang term. I said that Pom is a goodnatured slang term. Please. Read. My. Post. BTW, FYI, I spent my honeymoon week in Ireland. Didn't call anyone "Paddy" (and wouldn't have done so if I'd thought of it) but was warmly received thanks in part to the natural hospitality of the Irish and the fact that I have an Irish surname. :D |
Re: POM, an insult??!!
Originally Posted by thebears
Thats the point isnt it mate its using the phrase in the right context. :)
By a strange coincidence, though, one of my work colleagues is Irish - and his name is Patrick, which he abbreviates to Paddy. So everyone (including himself) calls him "Paddy". :cool: |
Re: POM, an insult??!!
Originally Posted by Plug
Folks,
What a laugh, have you seen this, are you really offended? - get a life!! PS: I'm a POM!! :D http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20843196-2,00.html i totally agree! if anyone calls me a pom ever then i am gonna claim racial hate crime and get compo! |
Re: POM, an insult??!!
Originally Posted by Wol
I usually introduce myself as a Pommie Bastard - should I have offended myself?
Depends if your THE Pommie Bastard! |
Re: POM, an insult??!!
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
What's all that about? :confused:
I didn't claim that Paddy is a goodnatured slang term. I said that Pom is a goodnatured slang term. Please. Read. My. Post. :D Paddy used to be used, by the English, as a good natured slang term for all Irishmen.. the Irish themselves didn't always see it that way. Pom is used, by Australians, as a good natured slang term for all English people... the English themselves don't always see it that way. Its called using an analogy. |
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