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iamthecreaturefromuranus Nov 29th 2006 10:25 pm

Re: POM, an insult??!!
 

Originally Posted by thebears
Well said

Thank god there arent any B#### Man U supporters :D

Wrong on that count... born and raised in Manchester and Red to the Core

OzTennis Nov 30th 2006 1:23 am

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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
Wrong on that count... born and raised in Manchester and Red to the Core

So there's no truth to this one I've heard?

Q. How do you know someone isn't from Manchester?
A. They support Manchester United.

OzTennis :)

Dreamy Nov 30th 2006 4:52 am

Re: POM, an insult??!!
 

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
Fancy playing Devil's advocate?. Change the word Pom in all this light hearted banter for Nig*er.. suddenly it doesn't look so much fun does it?.


I guess we can play your game if the word is ever used in conjunction with the oppression of Brits in Australia, when hordes of green hooded Australians burn Yorkshire Puddings and effigies of cream scones on British born people's lawns, or hang them from trees just because they're POMs, segregate them from using the same restaurants/washrooms/public facilities, or make them sit at the back of buses (they could perhaps use signs at the front 'POMS at the rear')

Landladies can hang signs in windows - No POMS here

Then we can play your game.

Frankly, I find your argument spurious to say the least. :confused:

Lynne

Vash the Stampede Nov 30th 2006 5:03 am

Re: POM, an insult??!!
 

Originally Posted by Paul & Wendy
Just a thought, but does the term POM relate to the Scots, Welsh and Irish, or just the English?
I know there are conflicting views of what POM stands for, but if it is taken as Prisoner of Mother England, then presumably it will not include those from the Celtic nations.
Any comments...
Cheers, Paul

Pom only refers to the English, yes. (Though unfortunately, some Aussies can't tell the difference between the English, Welsh and Scots). :rolleyes:

Incidentally, not all convicts were English; they were a diverse group, including Irish, Scots and members of GB's other colonies.

Australia's first bushranger was born in the West Indies (where he worked on a plantation), escaped to England and subsequently transported to Australia for theft.

Vash the Stampede Nov 30th 2006 5:06 am

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Originally Posted by LouiseD
What does POM stand for anyway? I've been told it's Prisoner of His Majesty because the prisoners wore POM on their clothes. My mum says it's from Pommegranite.

Your mum is correct; the "Prisoner of His Majesty" theory is utter nonsense.

I have attached a photo of an original convict uniform (the only one still in existence).

The mythical acronym is noticeable by absence.

Lord Pom Percy Nov 30th 2006 5:07 am

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From what l read no one in OZ called English POMS untill 1915, maybe it started with Aussie soldiers during WW1, probably looking for a nasty name to call the English after their brilliant idea to send them to Gallipoli to invade Turkey, dropping them off at the wrong beach right in front of the clifftop Machine gun nests. :p

painter man Nov 30th 2006 5:22 am

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Originally Posted by iPom
Sadly it's these sort of whinging PC idiots who are going to give Poms a bad name... Do they not understand that?

Bangs head against wall.... :rolleyes:

Totaly agree , they give poms a bad name just gives the roos more ammunition to have a go at us. :D

GreenTea Nov 30th 2006 5:26 am

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I am very un-sure as to why an English person would be insulted by being called a POM, sureley its just a term of endearment. for example: when a Scotsman visits England and gets called Jock.

You work it out
:confused:



GreanTea

iamthecreaturefromuranus Nov 30th 2006 6:42 am

Re: POM, an insult??!!
 

Originally Posted by Dreamy
I guess we can play your game if the word is ever used in conjunction with the oppression of Brits in Australia, when hordes of green hooded Australians burn Yorkshire Puddings and effigies of cream scones on British born people's lawns, or hang them from trees just because they're POMs, segregate them from using the same restaurants/washrooms/public facilities, or make them sit at the back of buses (they could perhaps use signs at the front 'POMS at the rear')

Landladies can hang signs in windows - No POMS here

Then we can play your game.

Frankly, I find your argument spurious to say the least. :confused:

Lynne

Racism doesn't just have to present itself in its most extreme forms for it to be racism. If and when you get here you will be able to judge if its always used as a 'term of endearment'. As I said earlier, I personally don't give a stuff, but you never know, it might even begin to grate on you when, for example, you hear it used on the TV for the millionth time to describe the England cricket team.

iamthecreaturefromuranus Nov 30th 2006 6:54 am

Re: POM, an insult??!!
 

Originally Posted by Lord Pom Percy
From what l read no one in OZ called English POMS untill 1915, maybe it started with Aussie soldiers during WW1, probably looking for a nasty name to call the English after their brilliant idea to send them to Gallipoli to invade Turkey, dropping them off at the wrong beach right in front of the clifftop Machine gun nests. :p

The Australian view of Gallipoli seems to be that they were the only ones there and the only ones to take any casualties and that it was all the fault of the British... check out the history of the Lancashire Regiments for a more balanced view.
These are the generally accepted casualty figures. The British had 205,000 casualties (43,000 killed). There were more than 33,600 ANZAC losses (11,500 killed) and 47,000 French casualties (5,000 killed). Turkish casualties are estimated at 250,000 (65,000 killed).

MartinLuther Nov 30th 2006 8:23 am

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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
Racism doesn't just have to present itself in its most extreme forms for it to be racism. If and when you get here you will be able to judge if its always used as a 'term of endearment'. As I said earlier, I personally don't give a stuff, but you never know, it might even begin to grate on you when, for example, you hear it used on the TV for the millionth time to describe the England cricket team.

Okay playing devil's advocate to your devil's advocate, consider what would happen if you replaced the word Pom with the word Massa. Suddenly the whip is in the other hand. I reckon you could get this game to go anywhere.

iamthecreaturefromuranus Nov 30th 2006 8:37 am

Re: POM, an insult??!!
 

Originally Posted by MartinLuther
Okay playing devil's advocate to your devil's advocate, consider what would happen if you replaced the word Pom with the word Massa. Suddenly the whip is in the other hand. I reckon you could get this game to go anywhere.

Your're right, you can. I'm just pointing out that there are people who DO get offended by it, and just calling them thin skinned or saying they should get a life isn't really justified.

MartinLuther Nov 30th 2006 8:43 am

Re: POM, an insult??!!
 

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
Your're right, you can. I'm just pointing out that there are people who DO get offended by it, and just calling them thin skinned or saying they should get a life isn't really justified.

I agree that people should not be abused unnecessarily.

However, can the bloke in the article be called a hypocrite as he seems to think it's okay to abuse Aussies but it's wrong for Aussies to abuse the English?

Vash the Stampede Nov 30th 2006 8:45 am

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Originally Posted by MartinLuther
I agree that people should not be abused unnecessarily.

However, can the bloke in the article be called a hypocrite as he seems to think it's okay to abuse Aussies but it's wrong for Aussies to abuse the English?

Yes, he can.

iamthecreaturefromuranus Nov 30th 2006 8:51 am

Re: POM, an insult??!!
 

Originally Posted by MartinLuther
I agree that people should not be abused unnecessarily.

However, can the bloke in the article be called a hypocrite as he seems to think it's okay to abuse Aussies but it's wrong for Aussies to abuse the English?

The article is a piss take from Tooheys... its not for real.


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