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Old Apr 2nd 2016 | 12:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Beoz
where do you think the pre Cook settlers would be today had British settlers not arrived? And I call them pre Cook settlers because they were once settlers themselves. Calling them invaders would be inappropriate and may upset the left.
Again with the left-v-right foolishness. To the best of my learning, the pre-British inhabitants of Australia had indeed been invaders and settlers (both) themselves, having invaded and largely eliminated the race that has become known as "Tasmanian" aborigines. There were two distinct races and cultures there, before the British.

As for where the aborigines might be without the British invasion and occupation... it's futile to wonder, and merely an academic speculation. I doubt if they're better off, but it doesn't matter. It makes no sense to bewail invasions that happened a long time in the past.
 
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Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
Again with the left-v-right foolishness. To the best of my learning, the pre-British inhabitants of Australia had indeed been invaders and settlers (both) themselves, having invaded and largely eliminated the race that has become known as "Tasmanian" aborigines. There were two distinct races and cultures there, before the British.

As for where the aborigines might be without the British invasion and occupation... it's futile to wonder, and merely an academic speculation. I doubt if they're better off, but it doesn't matter. It makes no sense to bewail invasions that happened a long time in the past.
Exactly. We will never know where the aboriginies would be so the only suitable action moving forward is unification rather division that the left and academics are so intent on creating.
 
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Originally Posted by nw250134
Amazulu said, "Personally, I prefer the term colonisation - as it reflects both the political ideology of Empire and the actual activity of the time."
Actually it was Swervo.

Originally Posted by Swerv-o

Personally, I prefer the term colonisation - as it reflects both the political ideology of Empire and the actual activity of the time.


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Old Apr 2nd 2016 | 3:25 pm
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20
Actually it was Swervo.


Doesn't matter, I'm just being pedantic.

It saved me pointing it out


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Who cares really? We can't change two centuries of history. And we should not be made to feel guilty for what happened to the indigenous peoples 200 years ago.
 
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Hi swerve.

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" It saved me pointing it out "

I agree, the quotation did come from you.

OOPS!

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Originally Posted by Amazulu
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I know that this has been blown out of proportion and that as a socialist, Queensland's premier hates Australia, but it's sad that Australia was 'invaded' is an official viewpoint of a major university - although I'm sure that their students can, and should, make their own minds up

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Revisionist history is one of the reasons why I detest the left


You really should learn to treat The Australian with a degree of disdain.


Now what isn't cool is the comment above of course.


The answer being invasion and hostile occupation being the reality, no matter how it grates on the sensibilities of the Right.


The doctrine of Terra Nullius, has been shown by the High Court of Australia, hardly a lefty outfit, to be nothing but legal fiction.
 
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Originally Posted by Beoz
Exactly. We will never know where the aboriginies would be so the only suitable action moving forward is unification rather division that the left and academics are so intent on creating.


Well once the past history has been at least acknowledged, there may well be room to move on.
 
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Originally Posted by bourbon-biscuit
I think students should make up their own minds about how to view the world too. I also think that those that actually really take the time to objectively look at Australia's history will come to see Australia as both invaded AND settled.

Being interested in looking at history not as a string of "facts" but as stories told and stories omitted and being interested in how the world looks when the omitted stories are told is one of the reasons I love the left; thinking is good
Very much the case. It was both invaded and settled. The Left is very much the area of ideas in place of pure ideology which dominates to a large degree Right wing philosophy.
 
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Originally Posted by the troubadour
You really should learn to treat The Australian with a degree of disdain.


Now what isn't cool is the comment above of course.


The answer being invasion and hostile occupation being the reality, no matter how it grates on the sensibilities of the Right.


The doctrine of Terra Nullius, has been shown by the High Court of Australia, hardly a lefty outfit, to be nothing but legal fiction.
And here's some of that leftie revisionist history that I mentioned

Colonisation rocks
 
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Originally Posted by the troubadour
Well once the past history has been at least acknowledged, there may well be room to move on.
And we will never what could have happen to those before the aboriginies.

Shall we make aborigines accountable?

Oh the left ..... nightmare.
 
Old Apr 5th 2016 | 7:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
And here's some of that leftie revisionist history that I mentioned

Colonisation rocks
Well it certainly rocked you right out of your South African birth place. Another example of the arrogance of the right of course.
 
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Originally Posted by Beoz
And we will never what could have happen to those before the aboriginies.

Shall we make aborigines accountable?

Oh the left ..... nightmare.


Well when we find any yes. No nightmare at all. As usual common sense. Recognise past injustices and move on. Don't be in denial.
 
Old Apr 5th 2016 | 7:33 pm
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Originally Posted by the troubadour
Well it certainly rocked you right out of your South African birth place. Another example of the arrogance of the right of course.
A bizarre statement

I wasn't born in South Africa
 
Old Apr 5th 2016 | 8:32 pm
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Originally Posted by the troubadour
Well when we find any yes. No nightmare at all. As usual common sense. Recognise past injustices and move on. Don't be in denial.
Hold on. You are implying the colonisation of Australia was an injustice to aboriginal people. Was it? How can you say that when you don't know where aboriginies would be today without colonisation.

I believe some treatment like the "stolen generation" have been formally recognised. Colonisation itself will never be as there's no one to apologise to nor nothing to apologise for.
 


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