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Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by esperanza
(Post 4285726)
Then it is time to throw the salt shaker at them!!:D
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Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by Hels Bells
(Post 4285734)
:D I have a BIG salt grinder...thats not a bad idea
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Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by stuckinblighty
(Post 4285740)
so the rumours ARE true then :cool:
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Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by Hels Bells
(Post 4285686)
And so, the point is still valid, its not the Country's problem, perhaps the person(s) should look within themselves. Perhaps they left for the wrong reasons, or perhaps they just dont fit here, could be a million reasons they are not happy. That is all perfectly acceptable and reasonable. But why blame the Country that they chose to move to? I am not being specific here about Australia either. Its any Country that people move to, then decide its not for them and then proceed to belittle, ridicule, pick pieces out of the Country and even so much as patronise, abuse and belittle the people that havent moved yet but are wanting to?? This primarily is my only problem with a select few posters on this forum. Its how they come across to me in their posts, anyway.
:) I never quite understand this accusation of "blaming the country". Most people who are unhappy here will admit that they have screwed up. Why does explaining what you don't like and pointing out real problems amount to "blaming the country". I think there are a few too many hyper-sensitive people on here. As with the UK, people are entitled to point out what they don't like. But often these posters are under the foolish assumption that those things wont happen here. Going back to the OP, I also thought crime rates would be lower here (because the sun shines?). My illusions were shattered when one month after I arrived a girl was murdered on her way home from the local pub in an affluent, peaceful area about 3km from here, and her body left on the local primary school playing field. I agree with you about some of the really bitter and abusive stuff, but for the most part I think the people who post negative stuff are just calling it like they see it and trying to offer the benefit of their experience to temper people's expectations with reality. There are many people on here who want to pretend this reality doesn't exist. It always amazes me how people feel so threatened by the negative posts, and see the forum as being invaded by a vocal minority of whingers or people with an agenda to run down Australia. I see it as a forum full of overly positive stuff, with occasional negative posts that add a touch of reality. I think a healthier attitude is to take note of the negatives, and take the rose-tinted stuff with a truckload of salt. |
Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by Exile
(Post 4285797)
I never quite understand this accusation of "blaming the country". Most people who are unhappy here will admit that they have screwed up. Why does explaining what you don't like and pointing out real problems amount to "blaming the country". I think there are a few too many hyper-sensitive people on here.
As with the UK, people are entitled to point out what they don't like. But often these posters are under the foolish assumption that those things wont happen here. Going back to the OP, I also thought crime rates would be lower here (because the sun shines?). My illusions were shattered when one month after I arrived a girl was murdered on her way home from the local pub in an affluent, peaceful area about 3km from here, and her body left on the local primary school playing field. I agree with you about some of the really bitter and abusive stuff, but for the most part I think the people who post negative stuff are just calling it like they see it and trying to offer the benefit of their experience to temper people's expectations with reality. There are many people on here who want to pretend this reality doesn't exist. It always amazes me how people feel so threatened by the negative posts, and see the forum as being invaded by a vocal minority of whingers or people with an agenda to run down Australia. I see it as a forum full of overly positive stuff, with occasional negative posts that add a touch of reality. I think a healthier attitude is to take note of the negatives, and take the rose-tinted stuff with a truckload of salt. I agree, negative posts are every bit as important as the positive ones. |
Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by Exile
(Post 4285797)
I never quite understand this accusation of "blaming the country". Most people who are unhappy here will admit that they have screwed up. Why does explaining what you don't like and pointing out real problems amount to "blaming the country". I think there are a few too many hyper-sensitive people on here.
As with the UK, people are entitled to point out what they don't like. But often these posters are under the foolish assumption that those things wont happen here. Going back to the OP, I also thought crime rates would be lower here (because the sun shines?). My illusions were shattered when one month after I arrived a girl was murdered on her way home from the local pub in an affluent, peaceful area about 3km from here, and her body left on the local primary school playing field. I agree with you about some of the really bitter and abusive stuff, but for the most part I think the people who post negative stuff are just calling it like they see it and trying to offer the benefit of their experience to temper people's expectations with reality. There are many people on here who want to pretend this reality doesn't exist. It always amazes me how people feel so threatened by the negative posts, and see the forum as being invaded by a vocal minority of whingers or people with an agenda to run down Australia. I see it as a forum full of overly positive stuff, with occasional negative posts that add a touch of reality. I think a healthier attitude is to take note of the negatives, and take the rose-tinted stuff with a truckload of salt. in a nutshell people in oz wanting to move back cos it's crap should remember it was their dream too at one point. people moving to oz should wait till they are there till they form opinions about how good it is |
Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by Hels Bells
(Post 4285816)
This is really the stuff I am talking about, and i know it comes from both sides. It just seems the majority of the really nasty stuff comes from a 'few' of the unhappy ones and in turn results in winding people up to retaliate. Which, IMO isnt healthy discussion, nor debate.
I agree, negative posts are every bit as important as the positive ones. Trouble is, a lot of the highly opinionated stuff makes the best reading. It's the life and soul of the forum. |
Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by kporte
(Post 4285846)
i see what you are saying. i think it all boils down to the fact that it is very difficult to be positive about a place if you are desperately unhappy, be it the uk or oz. much has been made on this forum about the need to run a place down to reinforce your belief you have made the right choice. i can see how posters who have moved to the other side of the world and found only unhappiness would feel aggrieved, and i for one find them interesting. they have made no impact on my desire to emigrate but have certainly made me make realistic goals for our life in oz. i can also see how people in the uk may create a fantasy of oz when it's chucking it down and the massive electric bill lands on the doormat. it's only human. i think we should all bear in mind that not everyone's situation and experiences are the same and lighten up a bit. perhaps time for a thread when movers to oz should say positive stuff about the uk and the movers back tell us their positive take on oz?
in a nutshell people in oz wanting to move back cos it's crap should remember it was their dream too at one point. people moving to oz should wait till they are there till they form opinions about how good it is |
Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by kporte
(Post 4285846)
i see what you are saying. i think it all boils down to the fact that it is very difficult to be positive about a place if you are desperately unhappy, be it the uk or oz. much has been made on this forum about the need to run a place down to reinforce your belief you have made the right choice. i can see how posters who have moved to the other side of the world and found only unhappiness would feel aggrieved, and i for one find them interesting. they have made no impact on my desire to emigrate but have certainly made me make realistic goals for our life in oz. i can also see how people in the uk may create a fantasy of oz when it's chucking it down and the massive electric bill lands on the doormat. it's only human. i think we should all bear in mind that not everyone's situation and experiences are the same and lighten up a bit. perhaps time for a thread when movers to oz should say positive stuff about the uk and the movers back tell us their positive take on oz?
in a nutshell people in oz wanting to move back cos it's crap should remember it was their dream too at one point. people moving to oz should wait till they are there till they form opinions about how good it is |
Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 4280577)
Bullshit.
Do you really believe all this doom and gloom crap that some people post about the UK? |
Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by fastrhino
(Post 4280601)
i think you will be in for a shock next time you come back to blighty,,,it truely is a sh"t hole full of scum, chavs and east european/aisan chancers.
anyplace in oz cant be worse than Bolton, or should i say Pakiton. mick Australia is full of immogrants...thats what it is...so if you ever get there you will be just an outsider....Were I live in England isn't a shit hole in fact it's the complete opposite...I live in a town in West Yorkshire were there is a mixing pot of people from all over the world...everyone is friendly the scenery is beautiful...there probably is a few d*ck heads about....like yourself....but I don't have anything to do with them......As far as I can see you are a racist Bigot with tunnel vision....Don't dis others for having different dreams to yourself:mad: |
Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by kporte
(Post 4285846)
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in a nutshell people in oz wanting to move back cos it's crap should remember it was their dream too at one point. people moving to oz should wait till they are there till they form opinions about how good it is If you can bear to read the longer threads in the UK forum, there are some good ones in there about why people came here, and what they will miss when they go home. Also once you get used to the names that post in there regularly you'll see that post of us do have things we like and laugh about in posts on here. I am excepting the eminent Arkon from this of course, and I'm sure he'll agree with me!! Even me - there have been some threads on Tassie lately, I love the place, it has the most beauitful scenery in the world,a nd I am always the first to say so. I'm sure all of us at time remember that we did have a dream once, which we followed, and as long as the others following their dreams are realistic and not too starry-eyed, then they have as much chance as we had of settling here successfully. :) And now I'm off to put my Mods hat back on and wield my big stick. :rolleyes: |
Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
We'll go with the 'see what its like when we get there' hats on...
currently we live in the 'most desirable post code in england', its beautiful, our country side is stunning, wages are pretty good here, the local schools are top in the county (although they have issues) BUT... the town has an amazing drug problem i didnt know just how bad it was until i managed a couple of 'town' pubs, the rich indulge in 'coke' here, and the poorer are dragged into 'crack', pills are £2, less if you want them in bulk..(3 or more) my sons high school has dealers at the end of the school field, they get 'busted' yet their back the next day, our village has 3 pubs, ive found/been offered 'coke and speed' in all of them, my older kids get offered everything. its not just the drugs, i know theyve got them a plenty in OZ too... we have an alarming number of 'scroaty' families, Cheltenham is either beautiful or beiruit...theres no middle ground here! my kids will never be able to afford a property here, their education (if they go into further education) will end up a huge debt around their necks, (i know, i still have mine) we work hard, pay our bills, but we cant make headway! we will enter oz feeling very fortunate to have the opportunity to 'do' the adventure and will give it our best shot...we dont expect to find it easier, or to be able to stop watching our kids! Kat xxx |
Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by Katsmajics other half !!!
(Post 4286725)
its not just the drugs, i know theyve got them a plenty in OZ too...
we have an alarming number of 'scroaty' families, Cheltenham is either beautiful or beiruit...theres no middle ground here |
Re: I cannot believe Oz is as bad as this.
Originally Posted by kporte
(Post 4285846)
in a nutshell people in oz wanting to move back cos it's crap should remember it was their dream too at one point. people moving to oz should wait till they are there till they form opinions about how good it is What about peeps who have been there and wish to go back for good, have loads of family there so have firm foundations to their opinions of Australia and the good and the bad! Can't categorize everyone into rose tinters and bitters, it don't work that way! Lots on here have very high expectations of Australia and/or wish to escape something. A few know what they're in for. Some have came and found out it's not for them, others love it! Some are here just to wind up. Some are here not a british nor an expat just wanting to fill their time chatting with others, (can recall one bloke got chased off for being a troll as he didn't want to move to Aus, just started a thread about yorkshire, which some overly sensitive peeps got very involved in). Hopefully the majority of people on here will learn the pros and cons of moving and gain an insight into the stress and problems moving to the other side of the world can cause. Would hate to think I was going into emigrating with my eyes closed. As it won't be easy and life will probably be different (not better) once we get there! |
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