Beoz

I think you will find that the internet has made it possible to highlight and catch paedophiles. Its a case of "no where to hide" now. Even suggesting it is close to the atrocities of what the bad element of Islam has done is insane. Remember the 3000 dead in the world trade centres?

So you are equating a religion to a style of government. Ok I suppose you are right if you refer to Sharia Law. This is one of the things ISIS wants - Sharia Law. Do you think its acceptable to commit such atrocities in the name of that?

Actually it had a lot to do with the reason for the people of the UK voting to leave the EU. Your average Joe saw the masses of Syrians entering Europe via news and media and said no thanks to that. Of course the remain vote under-estimated the power of the media, failed in their bid to convince the masses otherwise. Tut tut. Onwards and upwards.

old.sparkles

Where did I offer a comparison between paedophilia and terrorism? The post I responded to made reference to paedophilia by Muslims in Rotheram.

The average Joe was led down the garden path by believing that exiting from the EU and refugees were one and the same. Leaving the EU does not affect the UK's obligations under the UNHCR.

Amazulu

They weren't - the information was out there - but many chose to ignore it and voted for Brexit because they were worried about inward migration and refugees and the general perception - right in part, wrong in others - that the EU was the main cause of this

scot47

Sweden ? Switzerland ? Maybe you were talking about Swaziland ? One of those foreign places !

scrubbedexpat098

Easy now, strange that you should highlight my cock up( as well as me doing so) instead of commenting on the content though. I suppose I must be a Xenophobe, or heaven forbid a racist bigot

Heard a great comparison yesterday, if a black man calls Tom Cruise a twat for following scientology, does that make him a racist?

scrubbedexpat098

Yep, I've been reading up on Tommy Robinson of EDL fame, they're/he's a one cause movement, against radical Islam, and you should see the abuse he gets for it. His issue is not with colour, not in the slightest. I would suggest listening to this bloke before things get worse and Nick Griffin is the man they all turn to.

One thing he said rings true is that none of our celebrity friends who preach tolerance etc etc, have to live with the consequences of mass immigration, so it's easy for them.

I've also been reading up on George Galloway, what an arsehole.

old.sparkles

No, everyone knows TC is an idiot

xizzles

One can choose his religion but not the color of one's skin. Being born black isn't within one's control, but choosing to believe in Scientology .... erm.

Anyway, I'm of the belief if there ain't nothing nice to say about something, then don't say it. So I won't.

Beoz

Of course not he's white and its OK to be a bigot against white people.

Beoz

Post 928

Average Joe was only led down the garden path if you are a remain voter and you don't respect democracy. Is that what you are?

But average Joe is an armchair critic, average Joe has a limited attention span.

Its far easier for average Joe to believe all those refugees boarding trucks at Calais are headed their way than it is to really look into the numbers.

Its a bit like Mediscare. Its far easier for the average Joe to understand such a little tag line which was never true. And many idiots voted for that.

The thing is, if the UK had their immigration sorted, working permits sorted, refugee program sorted, they wouldn't be camping at Calais. What really is the attraction of the UK when you have the rest of Europe to play with?

old.sparkles

I suggest you go back and read post 928 and the quoted post again. To make it easier for you:
Where is the comparison with terrorism?

And I did not vote as I don't live in the UK, but yes I respect that the majority of those who voted did vote to leave - doesn't mean I have to agree with the result, just abide by it. Average Joe was led down the garden path regardless of my opinion because for many that I have spoken to, it was a vote on refugees trying to enter the UK - something that will not change because of Brexit.

The UK does have it's immigration sorted - try getting into the UK if you are not from an EU member state. Have a look at the issues UK citizens have trying to get a non-eu spouse into the UK, and how much that costs.

Beoz

Right. So you have spoke to those who believe it was a vote on refugees.

In contrast those who I have spoken to who actually voted for Brexit, voted for it because their farming subsidies and subsequent standard of living are far worse under EU law than they were when the British government were deciding on subsidies.

You spoke to those who didn't get the result they wanted.

I spoke to those who voted for Brexit.

See the difference?

old.sparkles

Almost, I spoke (and still speak) to those you voted on refugees and got the result they wanted, i.e. Brexit, but will not get the desired result of less refugees most likely.

Only family and friends I have in farming are in Wales, who voted remain as a country so not sure what effect EU is having on farming subsidies compared to other benefits of EU membership - didn't look into it too hard as I have no intention of returning. But they will also have to abide by the democratic result, and Brexit when it is delivered.

One thing is for certain, right now no-one really knows if the Brexit result will deliver all that they hoped for / feared (depending on which side of the fence you sit).

OzTennis

Here's some suggestions why Brexit succeeded:

It appealed to those who longed for a Britain of old. Xenophobia is on the rise and it gave people the chance to hide behind or to normalise racism. Despite what your research from the people you have spoke (sic) to, every analysis since has said that immigration or whatever you want to call it was the number one issue.

As with Trump's success it was seen as a chance to 'stick one up' businessmen, banks, mainstream political parties etc.

The majority of the British press (i.e. right wing rags) used scare tactics to warn people - day after day after day. Express, Mail etc were particular vehement about the perceived dangers posed by 'unBritish' people.

David Cameron thought I'll give the Eurosceptics their referendum to shut them up. Enter Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove etc stage right. Cameron's choice of question, choice of timing and ineptitude in campaigning has much to answer for - it spectacularly backfired. All the fuss since the result has been because there is a hell of a lot more to Brexit than just curbing immigration.

scrubbedexpat098

You forgot 'being constantly labelled a xenophobe and racist' don't underestimate the power of labels.