Beoz

You aren't making sense.

On one hand you say that people who vote for immigration policies are racist and on the other you say open borders are nonsense.

Which do you want? You obviously are in dire need of both.

OzTennis

1 For the sixth/seventh time, 'concern for immigration' legitimised racism for SOME (not all)!!!!!! people who voted Leave. For example, the retired guy a few doors down from me who 'can't stand all the bloody Poles' in the town and always mentions to me the one lady he meets in Tesco who wears a burka, voted Leave for that reason. He's not a farmer, he's not a businessman affected by Brussels red tape; he's retired and he (for some reason) fears people who are different or sees it as a challenge to his way of life. When I go to football matches there are still morons who boo whenever a coloured or muslim player touches the ball (it's not 'good hearted banter' either).

2 I am questioning your concept of 'open borders' if you'd think - do you really think there was no passport control before and anyone who wanted to come, could? I was happy with the controls which were in place before. It's not a case of stricter immigration controls or open slather; there is a point between.

I've made my point to my satisfaction so change the record.

brits1

LOl I would find that funny if I actually cared about your views or way of thinking but..... I don't, I actually live in the UK by the way,

Amazulu

And run by a dictator too

Top marks

Beoz

There are still morons in the crowd who remind Liverpool of Hillsborough, or chant songs about the death of Billy Sharps baby son, or do plane crashing animations at Man U supporters.

Making fun of ones race is just another of the above and should not be signalled out as any worse than the above. Its all hurtful which is what its designed to do.

Your neighbour doesn't like Poles. So what. You don't invite people you don't like into your home. Why should he. He probably doesn't like Aussie's either and tells his Polish mates "bloody Aussie"

It doesn't mean he believes Scots are superior nor does he direct abuse at the Poles which is really the definition of racism. He just likes his piece of Scotland to be Scottish.

So if open borders aren't an option, then Brexit gives the UK more control over who they permit to reside in the UK, which then becomes the same as the US, Canada and Australia operate. You can have your refugee numbers, your family migration numbers, your working holiday numbers, your skill mogration numbers, and if you wanted to, you could even say we are going to allow European countries with a certain standard of living free movement too. It gives back control and you can re-negotiate and re-write the rules.

OzTennis

'Propaganda' - as per your comment about me in the other thread, I'm not going to read or reply to what you have to say in future.

Beoz

Nope. Its just a very neutral, common sense approach to things.

OzTennis

Whatever, it's how you dismiss any view contrary to your own.

Beoz

Far left far right views yes.

Your links yes. But your links are never ever from the right of the spectrum. You only post links from the left and far left, so its easy to dismiss on biased grounds.

Amazulu

We're all different aren't we. All of us trying to make our way through the great big melting pot of life

My grandfather hated Germans with a passion until the day he died - and considering what they did to him and his buddies, maybe kind of understandable. Was he wrong to feel like this all his life? Probably, but his issue not mine as I like Germans and Germany a lot

scrubbedexpat098

So, the EU member states vote unanimously within minutes on the terms under which the EU will negotiate Brexit with the UK. It's beginning to look like a) Everyone in the EU hates the British, and/or b) The EU is a dictatorship, and c) the other member states are being warned against dissent, which backs up b.

I'm beginning to think the UK is going to be well rid to be honest. True colours being shown I think.

Beoz

Yes I saw that. c) is awesome and fits nicely with b)

I think the EU dictators are quietly shitting themselves here.

scrubbedexpat098

Yep, I think you're right. I wonder now if the SNP view the EU with the same mis-trust as they view the UK. They should be.

Beoz

Whilst the EU has many great qualities, it has become all about power, which it shouldn't be.

They can laugh at Farage all they like, but he does explain the situation very well.

scrubbedexpat098

He talks a massive amount of sense, only trouble I have with him is the way he scurried away from politics when he won and would have to do something, he lost all credibility from that point. Doesn't detract from his message though, just his intestinal fortitude.