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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 12221134)
Details
The British people voted to leave the EU. End of. It is up to the government of the day to decide how they want to implement this decision. They will live or die by how they do this at the next election. That's how it works in a democracy champ A 2nd Scotch referendum is up to the governments of the UK and Scotland to decide on. The Westminster government is well within their right to deny another vote and any move by Scotland to ignore that and go for independence is a virtual UDI and the EU would take a dim view of it Scotch is a drink. May is not saying you can't have a referendumactually; she's saying not before Brexit; Sturgeon wants it before. |
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 12221134)
A 2nd Scotch referendum is up to the governments of the UK and Scotland to decide on. The Westminster government is well within their right to deny another vote
Denying Scotland a vote is quite undemocratic. They're being dragged out of the EU against their will, so asking the people which road they would like to follow (stick to Downing Street's brexit madness or go it alone and seek quick re-entry into the EU) definitely seems like something they should be allowed to do in the very near future. |
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by astera
(Post 12221435)
As usual you only ramble on about "the will of the people" or democracy prevailing when it suits your agenda. As soon as it doesn't you do a quick 180. :)
Denying Scotland a vote is quite undemocratic. They're being dragged out of the EU against their will, so asking the people which road they would like to follow (stick to Downing Street's brexit madness or go it alone and seek quick re-entry into the EU) definitely seems like something they should be allowed to do in the very near future. |
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by astera
(Post 12221435)
As usual you only ramble on about "the will of the people" or democracy prevailing when it suits your agenda. As soon as it doesn't you do a quick 180. :)
Denying Scotland a vote is quite undemocratic. They're being dragged out of the EU against their will, so asking the people which road they would like to follow (stick to Downing Street's brexit madness or go it alone and seek quick re-entry into the EU) definitely seems like something they should be allowed to do in the very near future. |
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by astera
(Post 12221435)
As usual you only ramble on about "the will of the people" or democracy prevailing when it suits your agenda. As soon as it doesn't you do a quick 180. :)
Denying Scotland a vote is quite undemocratic. They're being dragged out of the EU against their will, so asking the people which road they would like to follow (stick to Downing Street's brexit madness or go it alone and seek quick re-entry into the EU) definitely seems like something they should be allowed to do in the very near future. The UK government does have the right to block a 2nd Scotch vote - whether they do or not is up to them - and the voters will judge them on this decision. Democracy or "the will of the people" at work again I personally think it would be a bad idea for Scotland to leave the UK - but it's not up to me is it Democracy, as opposed to left-wing me, me, me politics is a wonderful thing |
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by OzTennis
(Post 12221414)
Details? That's my point, people didn't vote on the details just the bald in or out and most of those who voted out saw it merely as a curb on immigration and no more.
Scotch is a drink. May is not saying you can't have a referendumactually; she's saying not before Brexit; Sturgeon wants it before. |
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 12221811)
Rubbish
The UK government does have the right to block a 2nd Scotch vote - whether they do or not is up to them - and the voters will judge them on this decision. Democracy or "the will of the people" at work again I personally think it would be a bad idea for Scotland to leave the UK - but it's not up to me is it Democracy, as opposed to left-wing me, me, me politics is a wonderful thing |
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by Gibbo
(Post 12221882)
Technically they do, but not a very good idea. The Scots will have their referendum whether May agrees or not. Independence is the best thing that could happen to Scotland.
Not my fight BTW. I think independence for the Scotch would be a bad idea but it's not up to me |
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by OzTennis
(Post 12221414)
Scotch is a drink
Scotch, Scots - same thing |
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by Gibbo
(Post 12221879)
Sturgeon wants it when the terms are known and at the same time as the EU countries vote. This means that May cannot trade away Scotland's assets to gain a better deal for the south of England.
I'm from the south of England from this place, don't get hung up on us having the best deal, we didn't. Estate of the nation: The real life of UK's council flat tenants - Mirror Online If the Scots get their independance, and I'm neither here nor there on it, how long before they stop blaming the English for everything? As a bi-stander a deficit of 10% GDP is going to mean the SNP will be known as the Austerity party, which they'll blame on England and eventually Europe. Westminster has been very kind to the Scots, but by the time that's realised, it may be too late. |
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by stevenglish1
(Post 12221962)
The full terms will take 2 years to thrash out, and they won't be the finished article, The EU will be like an exam admistrator, aaaaaaannndd pens down
I'm from the south of England from this place, don't get hung up on us having the best deal, we didn't. Estate of the nation: The real life of UK's council flat tenants - Mirror Online If the Scots get their independance, and I'm neither here nor there on it, how long before they stop blaming the English for everything? As a bi-stander a deficit of 10% GDP is going to mean the SNP will be known as the Austerity party, which they'll blame on England and eventually Europe. Westminster has been very kind to the Scots, but by the time that's realised, it may be too late. |
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by Gibbo
(Post 12222032)
The only thing I want to say is Westminster has never been kind to the Scots and as the Scots parliament cannot borrow it has to balance the books with the pocket money that Westminster returns to it. Westminster apportions a percentage of its debt to the devolved administrations. Scotland doesn't blame the English for anything, only Westminster. There is a difference. Sorry I said more than one thing.
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by OzTennis
(Post 12221414)
Details? That's my point, people didn't vote on the details just the bald in or out and most of those who voted out saw it merely as a curb on immigration and no more.
Scotch is a drink. May is not saying you can't have a referendumactually; she's saying not before Brexit; Sturgeon wants it before. |
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by Gibbo
(Post 12222032)
The only thing I want to say is Westminster has never been kind to the Scots and as the Scots parliament cannot borrow it has to balance the books with the pocket money that Westminster returns to it. Westminster apportions a percentage of its debt to the devolved administrations. Scotland doesn't blame the English for anything, only Westminster. There is a difference. Sorry I said more than one thing.
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Originally Posted by Gibbo
(Post 12221879)
Sturgeon wants it when the terms are known and at the same time as the EU countries vote. This means that May cannot trade away Scotland's assets to gain a better deal for the south of England.
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