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astera Apr 6th 2017 2:28 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Garbatellamike (Post 12222853)
Yeah you are right the whole UK economy will collapse when Scotland leaves you are propping us all up.

Make sure to keep that same level of sarcasm when commentating on the upcoming UK-EU negotiations.

The EU - as the big player in these discussions - will probably be making similar jokes when confronting a skill-less, joke-of-a-gov't with muppets like Mayday and "Boris the wise" at its helm. :)

This is going to be painful to even watch, LOL.

Garbatellamike Apr 6th 2017 3:26 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by astera (Post 12223035)
This is going to be painful to even watch, LOL.

I agree with everything you say there other than the LOL as it won't be humorous in any way :nod:

Rest assured my sarcasm and cynicism will still be in play;)

Garbatellamike Apr 6th 2017 3:32 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
Anyway back to Scotland, the normally reliable Associated Press are reporting that Wee Jimmy has said she will not be calling a unilateral independence vote...

Is that fake news or was she bluffing all along as most people thought?

astera Apr 6th 2017 4:49 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Garbatellamike (Post 12223077)
I agree with everything you say there other than the LOL as it won't be humorous in any way :nod:

Rest assured my sarcasm and cynicism will still be in play;)

Well, this last week has shown quite clearly who the professionals are and who will be calling the shots.

Best scenario is for the (UK) gov't to see that this is a lose-lose scenario, that the UK will be much worse off by pursuing a hard course of action that gives it nothing in the end, and that maybe quitting the EU but retaining EEA membership would be the wisest choice of action in light of the alternatives on offer.

Here's hoping for logical reasoning to prevail... :fingerscrossed:

Garbatellamike Apr 6th 2017 5:25 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by astera (Post 12223150)
Well, this last week has shown quite clearly who the professionals are and who will be calling the shots.

Best scenario is for the (UK) gov't to see that this is a lose-lose scenario, that the UK will be much worse off by pursuing a hard course of action that gives it nothing in the end, and that maybe quitting the EU but retaining EEA membership would be the wisest choice of action in light of the alternatives on offer.

Here's hoping for logical reasoning to prevail... :fingerscrossed:

I hope you are right on the logical reasoning bit :nod:

scrubbedexpat098 Apr 6th 2017 10:50 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
I don't understand why someone would be all for Scotland ridding themselves of the perceived oppressive shackles of the UK(or England/Westminster, whatever), and thinks the UK should be denied the same chance wrt the EU. For me, both have voted freely and they have to deal with the consequences whether they be bad or good. Everyone lied to the man on the ground, it just happens that they fell for the 'wrong' lies.

The attitude of the losing side in both cases has been bewildering, it's as if they want to fail just so they can say 'told you so'. This idea that democracy is only ok if you win is ludicrous, the people of Britain should be proud that their will is of some significance.

To say that Scotland voted remain and should be able to do so, is like saying Ashford in Kent voted labour so shouldn't be bound by the laws that the Tory government implement, ie: bollocks.

astera Apr 6th 2017 4:46 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12223376)
Everyone lied to the man on the ground, it just happens that they fell for the 'wrong' lies.

The leave campaign was based strictly on lies. They even laughed at their own voters the day after, treating them like fools who simply "fell for it."

Remain didn't get anywhere close to that level of deceit and misinformation.


Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12223376)
This idea that democracy is only ok if you win is ludicrous

Which is why the quitters are panic-stricken every time someone mentions that a new referendum should be conducted once we know the final conditions of leaving the EU, so that people can decide if that is what they want.

Leavers go completely haywire with fright at the notion of another referendum because they know quite well what the result will be. Quitters aren't interested in what's good for Britain. They don't care about the will of the people. It's all about preventing the will of the people whilst heading for suicidal hard brexit...

Time to cough up... what is it... 50 billion first and foremost before even sitting at the discussion table on trade talks? :) :) :) This is truly going to be painful to watch...

Amazulu Apr 6th 2017 4:59 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
If Scotland were to try and become some kind of European Singapore (deregulate/low taxes/business friendly) then they would have a good chance of successfully becoming independent - but they're not. The SNP is a hard-left, government knows best outfit and Scotland is deeply socialist with big state intervention and an average private sector. Under those circumstances they'd have no chance and could easily become a new Greece or Spain requiring massive support from the EU

Beoz Apr 6th 2017 5:42 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by astera (Post 12223503)
The leave campaign was based strictly on lies. They even laughed at their own voters the day after, treating them like fools who simply "fell for it."

Remain didn't get anywhere close to that level of deceit and misinformation.

Which is why the quitters are panic-stricken every time someone mentions that a new referendum should be conducted once we know the final conditions of leaving the EU, so that people can decide if that is what they want.

Leavers go completely haywire with fright at the notion of another referendum because they know quite well what the result will be. Quitters aren't interested in what's good for Britain. They don't care about the will of the people. It's all about preventing the will of the people whilst heading for suicidal hard brexit...

Time to cough up... what is it... 50 billion first and foremost before even sitting at the discussion table on trade talks? :) :) :) This is truly going to be painful to watch...

Its not a Test Series best of 3. Just because you mess up the first, you don't get a chance to mess up the 2nd or 3rd.

I would happily guess the result would be the same if not worse for the remainders.

Amazulu Apr 6th 2017 5:47 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12223517)
Its not a Test Series best of 3. Just because you mess up the first, you don't get a chance to mess up the 2nd or 3rd.

I would happily guess the result would be the same if not worse for the remainders.

Yep

People have spoken

Decision has been made

Get on with it

Beoz Apr 6th 2017 6:06 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 12223520)
Yep

People have spoken

Decision has been made

Get on with it

I can't help feel Britain will be a back to being a world powerhouse in 10 years now that the shackles are off.

Tough times for the first few years no doubt.

Garbatellamike Apr 6th 2017 8:15 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12223527)
I can't help feel Britain will be a back to being a world powerhouse in 10 years now that the shackles are off.

Tough times for the first few years no doubt.

Tough times for sure - world powerhouses will probably be USA, India, China but not Britain.

Amazulu Apr 6th 2017 8:29 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12223527)
I can't help feel Britain will be a back to being a world powerhouse in 10 years now that the shackles are off.

Tough times for the first few years no doubt.

Powerhouse - no. Those days ended in the 1950's, maybe earlier but no reason why the UK can't be a major player in the near future. As long as they keep on breaking down regulation and red-tap, dismantling the welfare state and reducing taxes then their future will be bright

Garbatellamike Apr 6th 2017 8:43 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 12223585)
Powerhouse - no. Those days ended in the 1950's, maybe earlier but no reason why the UK can't be a major player in the near future. As long as they keep on breaking down regulation and red-tap, dismantling the welfare state and reducing taxes then their future will be bright

Yep ended in the 40's/50's and Suez in 56 made it crystal clear who was a world power and who wasn't.....

Beoz Apr 6th 2017 10:22 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Garbatellamike (Post 12223577)
Tough times for sure - world powerhouses will probably be USA, India, China but not Britain.

Given the services sector is going to balloon, the UK is well poised to profit from that, and with the EU shackles off, its game on. Give it some imagination.


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