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scrubbedexpat098 Dec 1st 2016 7:30 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by astera (Post 12119197)
No, the trend in the UK for the <45s is to remain in the EU. And the YOUNGER the population group, the GREATER the support for remaining part of the EU.

It's the geriatric ward that was senile.

A steaming pile of horse manure. If the <45s were that set on remaining, they wouldn't have underestimated the Brexit feeling and they'd have turned out and voted. As it was, many of them didn't (especially the <25s). They screwed themselves and now as usual they're blaming everyone else.

I'm almost glad of the Brexit vote, the youngsters might get off their arses and build their own future, instead of ungratefully inheriting everything they have.

astera Dec 1st 2016 7:48 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12119229)
A steaming pile of horse manure.

No, actually it's just plain facts and nothing else. No opinion, no analysis, just 100% pure figures.


Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12119229)
I'm almost glad of the Brexit vote, the youngsters might get off their arses and build their own future, instead of ungratefully inheriting everything they have.

What a strange argument. Imagine the senile geriatric ward in Idaho somehow voting the state out of the greal 'ol USofA and then telling the younger generation that they can now build their own future.

How silly would that be, to sabotage one's own home just to wreck the future chances of the next generation?

Beoz Dec 1st 2016 7:51 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by astera (Post 12119197)
No, the trend in the UK for the <45s is to remain in the EU. And the YOUNGER the population group, the GREATER the support for remaining part of the EU.

It's the geriatric ward that was senile.

Really. Which region?

astera Dec 1st 2016 8:03 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cps...624_by_age.png

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36616028

Beoz Dec 1st 2016 8:09 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
That's a poll. And we now know after Brexit and Trump how little relevance a poll has on the actual result.

scrubbedexpat098 Dec 1st 2016 2:35 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by astera (Post 12119239)
No, actually it's just plain facts and nothing else. No opinion, no analysis, just 100% pure figures.



What a strange argument. Imagine the senile geriatric ward in Idaho somehow voting the state out of the greal 'ol USofA and then telling the younger generation that they can now build their own future.

How silly would that be, to sabotage one's own home just to wreck the future chances of the next generation?

The fact is that the generation whose future was 'sold down the river' by these senile old bastards stayed away from the polling booths in their droves. They sold their own future down the river, and now want over 60s banned from voting. Truly pathetic, they're reaping what they sowed, and are now blaming someone else for sowing it.

scrubbedexpat098 Dec 1st 2016 2:55 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
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Originally Posted by astera (Post 12119239)
No, actually it's just plain facts and nothing else. No opinion, no analysis, just 100% pure figures.



What a strange argument. Imagine the senile geriatric ward in Idaho somehow voting the state out of the greal 'ol USofA and then telling the younger generation that they can now build their own future.

How silly would that be, to sabotage one's own home just to wreck the future chances of the next generation?

Or let me put it this way, If I'd worked hard my whole life, at times been asked to go to war, sacrificed things I want to do in favour of things I need to do etc etc, and handed it to my son, only for him to say 'thanks Dad, now could you **** off and die, you're cramping my style, your opinions don't matter and by the way if anything goes wrong with the house, I'm blaming it on you' Imagine how I'd feel. Oh, and here's another graph. Recent polls indicate that 65% of 18-24 year olds voted, but I'd imagine it'd be pretty embarassing admitting you didn't vote, so pretty worthless as polls go, and that is completely worthless.

Garbatellamike Dec 1st 2016 8:20 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12119262)
That's a poll. And we now know after Brexit and Trump how little relevance a poll has on the actual result.

Moreover, that's how people voted it doesn't consider the percentage of each age group that didn't vote so that graphic isn't statistically pure for the point astera was trying to justify.

If you don't get off your lazy arse and vote then you have no place whining about the result :nod:

Beoz Dec 1st 2016 8:24 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Garbatellamike (Post 12119599)
Moreover, that's how people voted it doesn't consider the percentage of each age group that didn't vote so that graphic isn't statistically pure for the point astera was trying to justify.

If you don't get off your lazy arse and vote then you have no place whining about the result :nod:

That graphic means nothing. A few phone calls asking people their age and who they voted for. An online poll? Reliable? Please spare us?

Garbatellamike Dec 1st 2016 11:19 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12119604)
That graphic means nothing. A few phone calls asking people their age and who they voted for. An online poll? Reliable? Please spare us?

I tend to agree

OzTennis Dec 2nd 2016 2:10 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12119262)
That's a poll. And we now know after Brexit and Trump how little relevance a poll has on the actual result.

The poll was by Lord Ashcroft!!!!! Yeah him - big donor, ex Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party, Brexiter, tax avoider by offshore activities such as Belize Bank International which had 75% of its deposits withdrawn when the US Government launched a tax evasion crackdown (which Trump will reverse).

Lord Ashcroft Polls - The home of polling and political research from Lord Ashcroft

Are we claiming Ashcroft's research is shonky, it has a left wing bias, or do you have polls which show different findings (on the higher turnout as age increases and the more for leave the further south east one travels in the UK or that younger voters were largely for remain and older voters for leave)?

Now polls by definition are a sample and EU/Trump showed that they can be a bit out (not a huge margin out though) and the polls (eg New Statesman, Politico) have shown that 75% of 18 to 24 year olds voted Remain. Are we arguing that that was less than 50%?

http://i.imgur.com/2Ru37nU.png

OzTennis Dec 2nd 2016 2:16 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
"Brexit backlash". You can have it from any paper you want, it doesn't change the result:

Zac Goldsmith crushed by Brexit backlash in Richmond by-election as Lib Dem Sarah Olney triumphs | London Evening Standard

Thousands of Conservative voters in west London’s Richmond Park sat on their hands or switched to the Liberal Democrats to show their dismay at Theresa May’s hints of a hard Brexit.
Political novice Sarah Olney turned giant-killer to overturn the vast 23,015 majority notched up by anti-Heathrow campaigner Mr Goldsmith in 2015.
She achieved a swing of 21.74 per cent to win with 20,510 votes — or 49.7 per cent — to the former Tory independent’s 18,638 on a turnout of 53 per cent.
https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-p.../02/11/zac.jpg

Beoz Dec 2nd 2016 7:09 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12119842)
"Brexit backlash". You can have it from any paper you want, it doesn't change the result:

Zac Goldsmith crushed by Brexit backlash in Richmond by-election as Lib Dem Sarah Olney triumphs | London Evening Standard

Thousands of Conservative voters in west London’s Richmond Park sat on their hands or switched to the Liberal Democrats to show their dismay at Theresa May’s hints of a hard Brexit.
Political novice Sarah Olney turned giant-killer to overturn the vast 23,015 majority notched up by anti-Heathrow campaigner Mr Goldsmith in 2015.
She achieved a swing of 21.74 per cent to win with 20,510 votes — or 49.7 per cent — to the former Tory independent’s 18,638 on a turnout of 53 per cent.
https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-p.../02/11/zac.jpg

At least they didn't vote for the Labor Party :thumbsup:

BadgeIsBack Dec 2nd 2016 8:31 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
Ahh Richmond my old hunting grounds ...would be very Anti - Labour : very much like a inner Melbourne : would just do their own thing politically ; a demographic that can afford to do it's own thing. The London Lib Dems represent that and have done so since the late 90s

OzTennis Dec 2nd 2016 10:13 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12120063)
At least they didn't vote for the Labor Party :thumbsup:

They wouldn't vote for the Labor Party, it's Australian. Missing the point as usual.


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