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See I actually kind of agree with this, the first 2 paragraphs anyway. But the fact is that there was a referendum, and there was a result. Perhaps the innies should have taken all voters seriously, not just employed brain boxes?? The yanks going round with 'Not my president' Tee shirts on, guess what, he ****ing well is, get used to it.

That last paragraph however, has I'm a poor loser and need to grow up written all over it. A 2nd referendum will have far reaching and somewhat dire consequences, mark my words.

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Actually I don't think the rioting made any sense, if there is to be any civil disobedience they might as well save it for a time when it will actually be needed (hopefully it will never come to that in the US).

The "unemployed retards" in the US would vote for Trump simply because the political scene there is full of logical irregularities. Just look at the vast amounts of poor people who will brainlessly repeat stuff like "get rid of obamacare" even though it's their only shot at getting health coverage.

Or how such people voted for Trump because they don't like the so-called "political elite," even though they've just replaced them with the biggest scam-job in history, comprised of the largest number of billionaires, multi-millionaires and countless corporate lobbyists.

I tend to look at the whole picture before forming an opinion. So to me someone who voted to quit but believes that we should look at the possible consequences before making a final decision as to our future is less of a "brexit-fanatic" than someone who claims to have voted to stay, but believes that we need to push hard brexit forward at super-speed and regardless of any catastrophic economic consequences.

What's also valuable is what people turn a blind eye to. Like the recent absolutely hideous, unsubstantiated assault on representatives of the legal system, who were portrayed as "enemies of the people" for doing their job at upholding the law. How many people here failed to condemn this unprecedented attack?

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Can you show me this sheer panic? I must have missed the Guardian that particular day.

Its pretty simple. A second referendum ruins the core values of democracy. The ramifications of a second referendum, ignoring democracy, are worse than the Brexit ramifications.

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By a 6:1 ratio, parliament voted to hand the decision to the plebs. The plebs have spoken, but the elite don't like what they've said. There's the crux right there ;)

This unprecedented attack upon these legal representatives, I agree it was wrong but no no more unprecedented than the attacks on 16 million voters.

The cynic within can't help thinking that the decision (to go back to parliament) serves May's purposes. (The government thrives on being able to hold its hands up to the electorate and saying 'I tried, but the decision was taken out of my hands' ) let's face it they do it all the time with the EU law get out.

People also turned a blind eye to the corruption within the EU, only now are we 'only able to fix it if we remain' prior to Brexit no-one was bothered because they all benifitted at the plebs' expense.

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And it's the inexplicable stupidity of the decision that's bugging you more than anything. Why have you done this???? is the question. The answer is simply 'because we can' nothing more. It'd be nice to think that if a 2nd referendum were to happen, and go the remain's way that they'd at least learn a lesson in humility and the true meaning of democracy, and not to marginalise vast portions of the electorate, but I can't see it.

Watch the scene at the end of World's End where they are talking to the aliens, it sums this up quite nicely but I can't put a link here as they drop the C bomb.

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Anyone else up for this?

"EU negotiators will offer Brits an individual opt-in to remain EU citizens, chief negotiator confirms"

EU negotiators will offer Brits an individual opt-in to remain EU citizens, chief negotiator confirms | The Independent

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The question is "how much"?

The net contribution of the UK to the EU is £8.5bn or about £130 pa per person. However you then have to factor in kids etc. and the fact that its only live and work rights.

Upshot is, if the cost was constrained to under $100 pa it might well be worthwhile. However if it were £1000 pa it's less certain.

Of course, if they were smart, they would do it for free and make the UK government look silly as 50+ million people opted in.

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50+ Mill. Probably more. British living in Britain plus expats and British passport holders elsewhere. Good plan though.

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Interesting little poll in the guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lib-dem-yougov

The same people who voted for brexit are the ones that will not accept being worse off because of brexit. Overall half of people won't accept it. Which is a bit of a problem considering that that is basically a given.

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I like how the Guardian buried this at the bottom.

Open Britain’s poll also suggests that the prolonged period of uncertainty since the 23 June referendum has chipped away at the pro-Brexit majority. If a rerun of the vote were held tomorrow, remain and leave would be tied at 44% each, with 5% not voting at all and 7% undecided.

That's a worrying stat for those who think a re-run would yield a remain result.

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I think the only conclusive thing we can say for 2016 after the Brexit and Trump votes is that the average voter is incapable of connecting cause and effect and make rational decisions as a result.

Nobody thinks the UK would come out of a brexit without a multi-billion pound hole in the accounts. A clear majority says they won't accept that, yet we still have a 44:44 on the vote. And I get jumped on for pointing out the voters are stupid....

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But you said polls are meaningless post Brexit and Trump, you said anything in the Guardian is left wing biased - suddenly you are taking note of a poll mentioned in the Guardian.:rofl: (That's like Trump who wasn't going to accept the vote when it looked like going to Clinton as it was 'rigged'. He didn't question its legitimacy when he won though. He was also going to 'throw her in jail' but that seems to not be happening.)

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Polls are useless. What struck me was how the Guardian buried a poll which showed a 1% change on opinion at the end of its article. To me that's big news. Personally I believe if the had a another vote the remain would win by a lot more. But my opinion and polls mean jack shot.

Does that help?

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Brexit: UK to leave single market, says Theresa May - BBC News

So, after 6 months of careful planning, all May can say is "well, we'll just walk away". Basically that was the situation at the beginning, she's made no progress, and with her Hard Brexit mania the UK is going to get shafted, and broken apart.

Dumb Dumb Dumb.

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Really. I see it as a person who is cracking on. To see it as "dumb dumb dumb" is living life in the past and still moaning and begrudging the result. She's right, there is no turning back and no half way house.

As much as most refuse to see it, there could be opportunity coming from this.

To the 27 other EU member states, she said: "We will continue to be reliable partners, willing allies and close friends.

"We want to buy your goods, sell you ours, trade with you as freely as possible, and work with one another to make sure we are all safer, more secure and more prosperous through continued friendship."

And from the Irish

In a statement, the Irish government said the UK's "approach is now firmly that of a country which will have left the EU but which seeks to negotiate a new, close relationship with it".
It added it was "acutely aware of the potential risks and challenges for the Irish economy" but also of "the potential economic opportunities that may arise".