Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Parliament voted for a referendum. It was held. A reasonably large majority voted for Brexit.

Is there really anything else needs to be said?

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The Referendum Act was advisory in nature, ie the result is not legally binding.

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While this is true, it still needs to be procedurally correct, else it's open to legal challenge, as we have seen.

By not including enabling means in the referendum legislation, Dave has left Terri in a right mess, and it's now possible that she will have to try and get numerous brexit acts through both houses. This wouldn't have been the case if Dave had done the job properly in the first place.


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That's because David was confident Brexit will not win.

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Yes, Brexit can't be triggered by the PM alone - the Royal Prerogative was ruled insufficient; the PM can't do it without parliamentiary approval. Until such time as the government's appeal is heard that's the way it stands because the government can't just say what you said above and get on with triggering article 50 and deciding what terms it takes place under.

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Terri got her primary ambition. She knew exactly what she was taking on. Dave also did what he had to do.

You look like you want to blame someone for the will of the people?

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Let's not forget May was a (reluctant) Remainer (or Remainder as you have it). Actually remainder is apt as it's what you have left after you divide (the country) - a mess.

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I'd say the EU still needs reform (and probably always will as an ongoing process), but I think most national governments need improving much more urgently than the EU itself. Strangely it is the EU and not national governments that come up with solid protection for workers, for human rights, heck - even for flight travel it's the EU that had to clear up the mess and put carriers in line when it comes to delays, overbookings, etc.

As for kids/youngsters/students, they stand to lose the most, which is why younger voters were predominantly remainers and old farts (ironically with the least number of years left) were the ones ruining it for the rest.

Only Russia stands to benefit from Brexit. Same story with Trump.

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This is wrong, the ones with the most years left turned out in the lowest numbers, they ruined it for themselves. But lo and behold, they're blaming everyone else

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Well said and spot on.

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>>I'd say the EU still needs reform (and probably always will as an ongoing process), but I think most national governments need improving much more urgently than the EU itself. Strangely it is the EU and not national governments that come up with solid protection for workers, for human rights, heck - even for flight travel it's the EU that had to clear up the mess and put carriers in line when it comes to delays, overbookings, etc.<<

One of the reasons the Brexiters won was because they have seen over many decades that the EU is completely incapable of meaningful reform. It's a self perpetuating bureaucracy with a mindset that does not accept any notion that doesn't fall into line with its agenda.

Real reform would destroy the underlying "truths" as seen by the EU's elite, and therefore cannot be allowed. We have all seen how the will of the people is bypassed in several previous referendums: the "little people" got it wrong so have another go and be sure you get it right.

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I agree that it grew from the 'common market' which Britain joined into something much more but let's be honest; the main reason Brexit won the day was the immigration issue pure and simple. The polls showed that immigration was clearly ahead of the economy as the main factor. Dress it up whichever way you want but exiting the EU was seen as a way of controlling migrants. Well, we had a BRITISH court (not an EU one) just decide against the government and who knows whether British border controls will work?

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Interesting. Court reminds government they can't overturn statute law by decree (something any second year law student would have been able to tell them) and a few of the less well renowned news sources are blaming the courts for political interference?

The judiciary is always apolitical in the UK (thankfully, given the situation in the US supreme court where this is not the case!) and the situation regarding statue law long predates brexit and the EU.

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Not sure that's 100% true - as evidence I cite Judge Hutton's Iraq inquiry, which was clearly not apolitical.........