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But think about it from the point of view from those who voted for Brexit. If your child goes to school in a village somewhere in the UK and 70% are polish, and this change has occurred rapidly in the past few years, your view on immigration is not going to be favourable. People hate change.

Or you live in Bordeaux, one of the further most cities from the Syrian immigration point, and you have tent cities surrounding your city, where your main square was once a vibrant, cafe riddled place, has now 100's of immigrants loitering in it, no longer the place it once was.

Yes for London, EU membership is important, for those not in London, their priorities are different to yours. You need to look at both sides. Your priorities are different to others.

For me, the non Brexiters are being just as "dumb and intolerant" as the Brexiters. The non Brexiters are only looking at it from their point of view.

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Do you know how to post without replying to someone? If you reply to someone, it should have some relevance to the post.

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It's a bit like letting someone cross the road in front of you when the bloke in the car behind you is in a rush. The one crossing the road thinks you're wonderful, says thanks and gives you a big smile. But the bloke in the car behind you, who you didn't consult before making him stop as the pedestrian crossed the road, well he thinks you're a twat.

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Point I was making is

1. Freedom of movement is not inherent or required for a trading block (and that's what the EU is, whether they like it or not).
2. With the pressures that automation is going to bring, immigration is going to grind to a halt, particularly unskilled immigration. Hell, the pressure for a stop is strong now, just think what it will be as the unemployment rate really rises.

As such holding on to the past is only going to make things worse (by bringing the far right f**kwits to power). Reform now, particularly reform aimed at supporting the prols, is going to be the smarter move. The only question is do we have politicians with enough smarts to realise that, before the goosesteppers take control.

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Seriously, where do you get such numbers like 70% of a village's inhabitants being from just one particular (foreign) country? I think I'd sooner find places in Spain with poms making up 70% of the residents. :)

Plus we actually need those kids. Put them in the British school system and, over the years, out comes a new generation of Brits. Win-win situation. In a way I think we're the ones actually taking advantage of other European nations by taking in their young ones.

Either way, I think you're seriously exaggerating the issue if you're just talking about intra-European immigration that has been quite beneficial to the UK, its economy, the whole system altogether. These are similar people who like their beer, their football, and don't turn against the UK by looking at which bus to turn to flames or fly off to the Middle East.

We're the ones who have the most to lose by any changes to free movement. Of course with Teresa May at the helm there is a chance that instead of intra-European migration we'll see the percentages of Indian and Pakistani immigration reach historical heights. If that's your aim then you certainly want to turn against fellow Europeans to make way for others...

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An utterly irrelevant comeback to Beoz's point. If the government made you give up your spare room to someone you didn't know and expected you to wear a smile about it you'd crack the shits, it's really that simple.

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See you are not thinking outside the box. First mistake. I don't support a Brexit.

Second mistake. Just because you see a bunch of white people running around a school in Kent, doesn't mean they are English.

Would you change your thoughts if that school was 70% middle east where you can see a visual difference?

Garry is right. Regardless of whether new elections in France, Germany, etc yield a result for the right or the left, this is a wake up call for the EU. Look at Austria. The far right got close enough to a result for the EU to take note.

Also blaming Ms May in hindsight for not getting the result you want is poor. The EU is the problem here. It needs a big kicking.

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Actually it couldn't be any more relevant and to the point, and seeing you lose your head in anger just affirms that. In fact your completely irrelevant and pointless post just accentuates everything that you have deliberately omitted by writing about the "gov't making me give up my spare room"...

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Not losing it in anger as much as shaking it in disbelief at the arrogance required to be so oblivious to another point of view. If you stopped and thought, it is in actual fact a perfect analogy, I'm itching to know what needs adding to it.

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Anger? I've only seen anger in your words, still hanging on to history. You are just making stuff up now aren't you.

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Oooo, you know I'm going to quote the hell out that one :rofl:

Looks like the Italian PM has lost his referendum, which might well mean an election there in the foreseeable.

The EU needs the eurocrats removed. They are at the root of the problems down the line - from their failure on Greece and the PIIGS (which killed the United States of Europe idea, although they didn't realise it), through their failure to compromise resulting in the Brexit, to the rise of the far right on the back of dumb, but populist policies, which could easily rewrite the map of Europe next year.

They are clinging to something that doesn't work, and will only get less relevant going forward.

They need to strip it back to something that works, a trade bloc, and to do it in the next few months.

And I don't think they realise yet.

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This is the thing, it's a 'you're either with me or against me mentality'. I'm certainly no Brexiteer either, far from it. However, because we're able to see and understand what would drive someone to vote for extremes, then we're viewed as such.

Immigration is good, is an equally one eyed and dangerous mantra as Immigration is bad, it's a mixed bag. Anyone who wholly agrees with one or the other is a real problem.

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Oh, yeah, right. :) Yet you think it should be carried out even with catastrophic consequences, and I bet you're fiercely opposed to any notion of a second referendum even if vital information comes to light?

I actually never said anything of the sort - this is just your Daily Mail-esque imagination kicking in. I simply mentioned that if you take a young child and put him through the entire school system then the end product will be a young English adult.

First of all I find the 70% figure ridiculous as you previously mentioned a scenario where a single EU nation makes up 70% of rural population, leaving the remaining 30% for all remaining 26 EU nationalities... a handful of EEA nations... and last but not least, the English!

As for your direct question, yes - I would look at things differently in such a sci-fi scenario but from a cultural and not visual perspective.

Nobody is blaming her in hindsight, once again you're clutching at straws here. It's her current agenda and stance that is drawing strong criticism for being utterly unprofessional and detrimental to the UK's future.

The EU is not the problem. Our gov't certainly is as it's loaded with clueless clowns who have never negotiated anything on an international scale yet they jump around proclaiming to be world experts at everything. Guess who suffers the most when they fail (clue: not them)?

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Haha, must've hurt but credit where it's due

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I was in a taxi in Perth around 5 or 6 years ago, got chatting with the driver and asked him the usual. 'Where in England are you from, how long you been here?' Perth born and bred was the reply, 'every other ****er in my school was a pom'