View Poll Results: Brexit the aftermath, did the people of the UK vote correctly ?
Yes
43
40.95%
No
53
50.48%
Not more bloody navel gazing for gawd sakes !!!
9
8.57%
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Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
#451
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
I don't think there is any question that the result of the referendum will be respected. But surely the flavour of Brexit is still totally up for discussion? Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit, somewhere in the middle Brexit? As we're continually reminded...people were simply asked about leaving the EU...not whether they'd like to spend an extra £350M a week on the NHS or whether the UK should seek to remain part of the single market for example. I don't understand the notion that everyone should just shut up now when there is still a lot to be decided.
#452
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
At the time of the campaigns, here on the ground there was no discussion of hard Brexit, soft Brexit or somewhere in the middle Brexit. It was just Brexit and my understanding was that we were voting to leave or remain in the EU. This seemed perfectly clear from my ballot paper anyway. I am not sure why that is only now being be called "hard Brexit" by some.
#453
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
I don't think there is any question that the result of the referendum will be respected. But surely the flavour of Brexit is still totally up for discussion? Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit, somewhere in the middle Brexit? As we're continually reminded...people were simply asked about leaving the EU...not whether they'd like to spend an extra £350M a week on the NHS or whether the UK should seek to remain part of the single market for example. I don't understand the notion that everyone should just shut up now when there is still a lot to be decided.
Personally I think the UK should go for an EEA type arrangement. Completely retreating across the channel would be stupid and dangerous
#454
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
At the time of the campaigns, here on the ground there was no discussion of hard Brexit, soft Brexit or somewhere in the middle Brexit. It was just Brexit and my understanding was that we were voting to leave or remain in the EU. This seemed perfectly clear from my ballot paper anyway. I am not sure why that is only now being be called "hard Brexit" by some.
We're now finding that politicians and public servants are being left to thrash out the details. The notion that parliament doesn't have a say in the terms (as David Davis wants) is ludicrous, particularly in view of what we were voting on not being crystal clear. Sure, one can interpret what being out meant - but I can interpret something different.
#455
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Sure, and I'm not saying that there should be no debate. There should but some remainers. particularly on here, want the whole exercise to be ignored because they don't agree with it - which is ridiculous in a democracy
Personally I think the UK should go for an EEA type arrangement. Completely retreating across the channel would be stupid and dangerous
Personally I think the UK should go for an EEA type arrangement. Completely retreating across the channel would be stupid and dangerous
#457
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Yes, what I have read from you a multitude of times in this thread is that Brexit it is, get on with it, no discussion, remain didn't win, get over etc with the default that this is democracy. What we don't want is a democratic vote and then a dictatorship on the interpretation and implementation of the vote.
#459
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Yes, what I have read from you a multitude of times in this thread is that Brexit it is, get on with it, no discussion, remain didn't win, get over etc with the default that this is democracy. What we don't want is a democratic vote and then a dictatorship on the interpretation and implementation of the vote.
#460
Dunroaming back in UK
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Posts: 11,319
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
#461
Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
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Champing at the bit is probably a better description. It seems that May is making a right pig's ear of the whole brexit mess she put her hand up to take on.
In reality Scotland, N Ireland & Wales didn't vote to leave the EU, and are buggered if they are going to let those English force them into it. If May pushes ahead with pushing the suicide button, they will leave the UK. London might too. And that, in it's own right, basically kills what's left.
I just don't see how May has a valid route that includes activating article 50. In practical terms her only move is to threaten it to get concessions out of the EU (which doesn't appear to be working) and forever put off its invocation to a 'far future' when the EU falls apart anyway.
If they had a wonderful plan about how they were going to revitalise the UK, and that that was actively impossible within the EU, then OK. As it is ...
Champing at the bit is probably a better description. It seems that May is making a right pig's ear of the whole brexit mess she put her hand up to take on.
In reality Scotland, N Ireland & Wales didn't vote to leave the EU, and are buggered if they are going to let those English force them into it. If May pushes ahead with pushing the suicide button, they will leave the UK. London might too. And that, in it's own right, basically kills what's left.
I just don't see how May has a valid route that includes activating article 50. In practical terms her only move is to threaten it to get concessions out of the EU (which doesn't appear to be working) and forever put off its invocation to a 'far future' when the EU falls apart anyway.
If they had a wonderful plan about how they were going to revitalise the UK, and that that was actively impossible within the EU, then OK. As it is ...
#462
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Joined: May 2013
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
???
Champing at the bit is probably a better description. It seems that May is making a right pig's ear of the whole brexit mess she put her hand up to take on.
In reality Scotland, N Ireland & Wales didn't vote to leave the EU, and are buggered if they are going to let those English force them into it. If May pushes ahead with pushing the suicide button, they will leave the UK. London might too. And that, in it's own right, basically kills what's left.
I just don't see how May has a valid route that includes activating article 50. In practical terms her only move is to threaten it to get concessions out of the EU (which doesn't appear to be working) and forever put off its invocation to a 'far future' when the EU falls apart anyway.
If they had a wonderful plan about how they were going to revitalise the UK, and that that was actively impossible within the EU, then OK. As it is ...
Champing at the bit is probably a better description. It seems that May is making a right pig's ear of the whole brexit mess she put her hand up to take on.
In reality Scotland, N Ireland & Wales didn't vote to leave the EU, and are buggered if they are going to let those English force them into it. If May pushes ahead with pushing the suicide button, they will leave the UK. London might too. And that, in it's own right, basically kills what's left.
I just don't see how May has a valid route that includes activating article 50. In practical terms her only move is to threaten it to get concessions out of the EU (which doesn't appear to be working) and forever put off its invocation to a 'far future' when the EU falls apart anyway.
If they had a wonderful plan about how they were going to revitalise the UK, and that that was actively impossible within the EU, then OK. As it is ...
#463
Dunroaming back in UK
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
???
Champing at the bit is probably a better description. It seems that May is making a right pig's ear of the whole brexit mess she put her hand up to take on.
In reality Scotland, N Ireland & Wales didn't vote to leave the EU, and are buggered if they are going to let those English force them into it. If May pushes ahead with pushing the suicide button, they will leave the UK. London might too. And that, in it's own right, basically kills what's left.
I just don't see how May has a valid route that includes activating article 50. In practical terms her only move is to threaten it to get concessions out of the EU (which doesn't appear to be working) and forever put off its invocation to a 'far future' when the EU falls apart anyway.
If they had a wonderful plan about how they were going to revitalise the UK, and that that was actively impossible within the EU, then OK. As it is ...
Champing at the bit is probably a better description. It seems that May is making a right pig's ear of the whole brexit mess she put her hand up to take on.
In reality Scotland, N Ireland & Wales didn't vote to leave the EU, and are buggered if they are going to let those English force them into it. If May pushes ahead with pushing the suicide button, they will leave the UK. London might too. And that, in it's own right, basically kills what's left.
I just don't see how May has a valid route that includes activating article 50. In practical terms her only move is to threaten it to get concessions out of the EU (which doesn't appear to be working) and forever put off its invocation to a 'far future' when the EU falls apart anyway.
If they had a wonderful plan about how they were going to revitalise the UK, and that that was actively impossible within the EU, then OK. As it is ...
I think it's quite straight forward really.
May triggers article 50 and then after 2 years of fraught and tortuous negotiations the UK leaves the EU.
Once that has happened things in the UK have changed enough that it is entirely reasonable to rerun the Scottish referendum.
I suspect the SNP then lose again but if they do pull off a surprise win then there are a further 2-10 years of tortuous negotiations before Scotland separates from the UK.
Scotland can then start accession talks with the EU, which will be even more difficult given the Spanish dimension.
WALES VOTED FOR BREXIT as you probably know....Just to refesh your memory:
Scotland 62 in 38 out
Wales 47 in 53 out
Eng 47 in 53 out
NI 56 in 44 out
#464
Dunroaming back in UK
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Not all of them just the vocal minority as the latest polls show no significant change from the last Scottish referendum result.