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Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Oct 25th 2016, 10:52 am
#496
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Yes 100% best thing to do. I refuse to be governed by some one born in Luxembourg.
Oct 25th 2016, 10:57 am
#497
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
People not looking at this big picture.
Nope.
You need to consider what will happen if May presses that button. Firstly, the EU will attempt to screw the UK. Particularly with the Celticland opportunity above, they force a hard brexit. As a result the UK economy will go into depression (guaranteed). To attempt to stave off the worst, Hammond is talking about halving corporation tax. So, depressed economy and taxes on business getting cut - guess who's going to take the brunt?
Hence civil unrest.
- It's pretty obvious by now that May and Co. don't have a faintest idea how to square the circle they have been landed with.
- We know the SNP want independence, and that the majority of Scotland want to remain in the EU.
- Couple that with point 1 and thus the expectation of massive depression on exit - you can bet they will hold a vote and that they will vote to leave the UK and stay in the EU. That's best done before the UK leaves (because of the succession factor).
- N Ireland similarly wants to stay in the EU, and has done nicely from EU cash. However the unionist thing means the most obvious route of reunification with the south is out. However pairing up with Scotland both gives them more mass, and all the benefits.
- Wales is more problematic, but with the above, and the fact that Wales gets loads of cash from the EU that Westminster won't deliver, I think they will jump too.
Nope.
You need to consider what will happen if May presses that button. Firstly, the EU will attempt to screw the UK. Particularly with the Celticland opportunity above, they force a hard brexit. As a result the UK economy will go into depression (guaranteed). To attempt to stave off the worst, Hammond is talking about halving corporation tax. So, depressed economy and taxes on business getting cut - guess who's going to take the brunt?
Hence civil unrest.
Civil unrest = violent attempts to undermine democracy - it is not a good thing any which way you cast it and all decent people should condemn it with all their strength.
PS: there is no succession factor there is leave, separate and then apply - any other aspiration is delusional or dishonest. Or leave, don't separate and crack on making the best of a bad job (this being the most likely course of action at the moment).
Where I entirely agree with you is that May and Co are clueless on where to start and the whole thing will be a mess and it will be the working and lower middle class that suffer (as ever)..
Oct 25th 2016, 11:13 am
#498
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Celticland opportunity!!! That my dear boy is an oxymoron for sure. You are straying into the realms of fantasy there. You can come across as someone who despises the English but methinks you are getting carried away as to what is actually within the art of the possible.
Civil unrest = violent attempts to undermine democracy - it is not a good thing any which way you cast it and all decent people should condemn it with all their strength.
PS: there is no succession factor there is leave, separate and then apply - any other aspiration is delusional or dishonest. Or leave, don't separate and crack on making the best of a bad job (this being the most likely course of action at the moment).
Where I entirely agree with you is that May and Co are clueless on where to start and the whole thing will be a mess and it will be the working and lower middle class that suffer (as ever)..
Civil unrest = violent attempts to undermine democracy - it is not a good thing any which way you cast it and all decent people should condemn it with all their strength.
PS: there is no succession factor there is leave, separate and then apply - any other aspiration is delusional or dishonest. Or leave, don't separate and crack on making the best of a bad job (this being the most likely course of action at the moment).
Where I entirely agree with you is that May and Co are clueless on where to start and the whole thing will be a mess and it will be the working and lower middle class that suffer (as ever)..
However the only way I can see the UK staying together is if brexit is canned.
Oct 25th 2016, 11:53 am
#499
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
The way you talk it's like the questions asked in the referenda are completely divorced from the debate that proceeded them. In the Scottish referendum there were certainly a couple of key talking points...one was currency and the other was EU membership in the event of independence. I loathe Sturgeon and her party but I think she has a reasonable case for Indyref 2.0 right now.
Oct 25th 2016, 12:27 pm
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
I don't see BREXIT making any difference to Scottish separatism efforts but as you say time will tell.
I am sure that NI won't be leaving the Union in my lifetime and I suspect the same will be true for Wales. Scotland a little more in the balance.
Oct 25th 2016, 12:32 pm
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
UK leaves EU
Scotland reruns referendum - separatists win = Scotland leaves UK (rest of UK carries on without noticing much).
Scotland, as a newly established small nation state, starts EU accession talks.
Some point in the distant future Scotland accedes to the EU and Eurozone (rest of UK carries on without noticing much).
Snag is what happens if the separatists lose Referendum 2.0? Existential crisis envelopes the SNP??
TIME WILL TELL
Oct 25th 2016, 1:42 pm
#502
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Because we weren't voting on that. What part of that is not clear to you? We were voting on leaving the EU. We were not voting on trade deals, spending policy or anything else.
It was always going to be a very complicated thing to unwind. No surprise there whatsoever, no bottoms being bitten here. The future is bright.
It was always going to be a very complicated thing to unwind. No surprise there whatsoever, no bottoms being bitten here. The future is bright.
"For the UK to leave the EU it has to invoke an agreement called Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which gives the two sides two years to agree the terms of the split. Theresa May has confirmed this will be done by the end of March 2017, meaning the UK will be expected to have left by the summer of 2019, depending on the precise timetable agreed during the negotiations.
Once negotiations officially begin, we will start to get a clear idea of what kind of deal the UK will seek from the EU, on trade and immigration.
The government will also enact a Great Repeal Bill which will end the primacy of EU law in the UK. It will incorporate EU legislation into UK law, after which the government will decide which parts to keep, change or retain."
Oct 25th 2016, 2:17 pm
#503
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
This is what Brexit means in practice - is this what you thought it meant on the voting paper - negotiation, deals to be done etc, etc? I never for one minute thought leave meant 100% and Britain would become like Australia as far as the EU goes:
"For the UK to leave the EU it has to invoke an agreement called Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which gives the two sides two years to agree the terms of the split. Theresa May has confirmed this will be done by the end of March 2017, meaning the UK will be expected to have left by the summer of 2019, depending on the precise timetable agreed during the negotiations.
Once negotiations officially begin, we will start to get a clear idea of what kind of deal the UK will seek from the EU, on trade and immigration.
The government will also enact a Great Repeal Bill which will end the primacy of EU law in the UK. It will incorporate EU legislation into UK law, after which the government will decide which parts to keep, change or retain."
"For the UK to leave the EU it has to invoke an agreement called Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which gives the two sides two years to agree the terms of the split. Theresa May has confirmed this will be done by the end of March 2017, meaning the UK will be expected to have left by the summer of 2019, depending on the precise timetable agreed during the negotiations.
Once negotiations officially begin, we will start to get a clear idea of what kind of deal the UK will seek from the EU, on trade and immigration.
The government will also enact a Great Repeal Bill which will end the primacy of EU law in the UK. It will incorporate EU legislation into UK law, after which the government will decide which parts to keep, change or retain."
Oct 25th 2016, 3:58 pm
#504
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
This is what Brexit means in practice - is this what you thought it meant on the voting paper - negotiation, deals to be done etc, etc? I never for one minute thought leave meant 100% and Britain would become like Australia as far as the EU goes:
"For the UK to leave the EU it has to invoke an agreement called Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which gives the two sides two years to agree the terms of the split. Theresa May has confirmed this will be done by the end of March 2017, meaning the UK will be expected to have left by the summer of 2019, depending on the precise timetable agreed during the negotiations.
Once negotiations officially begin, we will start to get a clear idea of what kind of deal the UK will seek from the EU, on trade and immigration.
The government will also enact a Great Repeal Bill which will end the primacy of EU law in the UK. It will incorporate EU legislation into UK law, after which the government will decide which parts to keep, change or retain."
"For the UK to leave the EU it has to invoke an agreement called Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which gives the two sides two years to agree the terms of the split. Theresa May has confirmed this will be done by the end of March 2017, meaning the UK will be expected to have left by the summer of 2019, depending on the precise timetable agreed during the negotiations.
Once negotiations officially begin, we will start to get a clear idea of what kind of deal the UK will seek from the EU, on trade and immigration.
The government will also enact a Great Repeal Bill which will end the primacy of EU law in the UK. It will incorporate EU legislation into UK law, after which the government will decide which parts to keep, change or retain."
Oct 25th 2016, 6:44 pm
#505
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
At least the EU doesn't favour the big over the small when it comes to voting. 1 vote Malta, 1 vote Germany. Otherwise Germany+France+Italy would always have 41% of the vote and would only need to convince Spain to get over the 50% threshold.
I take it that would be your vision of democracy?
Oct 25th 2016, 6:48 pm
#506
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
No, that's pushing two countries out of the EU against their will. 2 countries voted one way, 2 countries voted the other way. 2:2 draw was the result.
At least the EU doesn't favour the big over the small when it comes to voting. 1 vote Malta, 1 vote Germany. Otherwise Germany+France+Italy would always have 41% of the vote and would only need to convince Spain to get over the 50% threshold.
I take it that would be your vision of democracy?
At least the EU doesn't favour the big over the small when it comes to voting. 1 vote Malta, 1 vote Germany. Otherwise Germany+France+Italy would always have 41% of the vote and would only need to convince Spain to get over the 50% threshold.
I take it that would be your vision of democracy?
The EU has a democracy deficit for sure.
Oct 25th 2016, 7:01 pm
#507
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Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
Ah the old threat of violence from the minority to overcome the democratic will of the people it seems some leopards can't change their spots.
Civil unrest to overthrow the will of the people - think that through Garry - it is a very dangerous thing to advocate and is the antithesis of democracy.
Civil unrest to overthrow the will of the people - think that through Garry - it is a very dangerous thing to advocate and is the antithesis of democracy.
The civil unrest will come when the lower classes, those that chose to quit based on a deceptive campaign, learn that all the promises of fairy-tale-land and prosperity for all were just lies and instead there will be "a massive recession that sees job losses, lower earnings, a collapse in investment, London ceasing to be Europe's financial hub, the Pound dropping in value like never before in its history, etc."
Those already in the worst position economically will be hit the hardest, as is always the case when things go south.
Oct 25th 2016, 7:02 pm
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Oct 25th 2016, 7:03 pm
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Oct 25th 2016, 7:04 pm
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